Crazygirls

[BillShipton]

We weren't big in Cumbria! Well, not in shops.

[matt2matt2002]

I'm probably the only person currently on this forum able to do that (with Mike Nomic in hospital). If people are interested I will.

Yes please

The history of Sploshing must be recorded for history
Not joking here - serious.
I am sure you could give a balanced view of the progress made by founders of modern day Splosh

What I would like to know is who did what when and where - and also why.
Was it always money - or was it more for fun.
Has it ever made money (silly question perhaps?)
What were the pit-falls when you began?
Was it seen as porn but the authorities?
What was the market like for Splosh pictures?
When did it take off?
Has the market declined in any way?
What happen when the internet came along?

The whole subject needs recording - so come on Bill - put that pint and blond down and get scribbling

[BillShipton]

Well, without being too boring about it.

Once upon a time long, long ago...ie back in the early 1980s...the first people to sell anything approaching mail order WAM/sploshing material were Wet Shots. They offered unmounted transparencies of wet, muddy and messy girls shot by Mike Ellison (now of WSM), Colin Twyford (now sadly soaking angels) and Morris Bown (who I never met). When Mike had a disagreement with his business partner, Wet Shots morphed into Aquantics with Roger Carpenter running the business from Tenby, and Mike submitting pictures. Again, they sold only unmounted colour slides by mail order at this time.

In 1988/89 Mike Ellison made the first video The Hopeful Starlet (selling at £40!) which was 'exclusive' to Aquantics (presumably cos Roger paid for the BBFC clearance) and I started Splosh! magazine. I think the magazine came out first, just. As Mike Nomic delights in telling me, Splosh! wasn't the first messy publication. Earlier he had produced a folded A4 photocopied sheet called Hippo News which he sent out to mud fans predominantly. It only lasted one issue but it was first! Splosh! magazine No 1 appeared in May 1989 (and can now be downloaded in PDF form at our Greatest Hits site) after I attended the first Aquantics weekend in Tenby in April. We weren't able to sell Hopeful Starlet or any Aquantics goods at that time, so all we did was develop the magazine. By the second WSM film, The Great Outdoors, which I helped write, we were allowed to sell WSM films too. Splosh! produced its first film Pretty Clumsy Woman (at the then bargain price of £25) in 1992.

Our chief aim was to reach a larger audience than Aquantics who, at that time, were happy serving a small close-knit group of followers. We wanted to open up sploshing to everyone who liked it, and make them feel they had friends out there. This has been our philosophy ever since. So whilst we weren't first in the market (and have never claimed to be) we were the ones who spread the word - all long before the internet!

Around that time (early 90s), Rob Blaine said he wanted to set up something similar in the US and Messy Fun was born (he even asked me if I minded him using that name as our strapline at that time was "Home of Wet and Messy Fun"). As well as offering mail order, Rob was a computer junkie and probably one of the first to run an internet-based business and certainly the first to develop that side of the market. He too went on to make films, shoot stills etc.and very good they were too. However, despite what some Americans seem to believe, we Brits were the Founding Fathers of commercial mess!

Brian Grove did not appear until later. He was a law student in Preston and he started taking pictures of mess as a hobby. I spent many hours in the pub with him in the early days and we were the first to publish his work.He then set up Crazy Girls Ink which advertised in Splosh! He always had his own concept of what worked. He loved the impromptu "she just walked in so we messed her up in whatever she was wearing" style and had some good, original ideas (including unusual ingredients!). We used several of his photosets in the magazine. He could, however, be difficult especially when he got his 'legal' hat on - as you can see by the giant Copyright messages on some of the pictures here! I lost contact with him as he moved around the country then the world and heard numerous stories about him (I belief he was in prison for a while) but liked some of his work a lot.

Before any conspiracy theorists start moaning that I haven't mentioned UMD, this is purely because we weren't on the internet when they started so I am not sure exactly when and how they kicked off. My guess is that it was in the mid to late 90s. I am sure the more computer literate amongst you will fill me in (not physically!).

Hope that is of some interest, and I haven't forgotten anyone!

[BillShipton]

PS Wrote the above before Matt's questionaire arrived. Will save all those questions for the blog, I think, but i have made a start in my previous post.

PPS The blonde is my 'personal assistant' and is indispensible as she looks after 'my needs' in my old age.

[Hayley]

PPS The blonde is my 'personal assistant' and is indispensible as she looks after 'my needs' in my old age.

Who she?

[muckypup]

Thanks for the potted history Bill, very interesting.

[CrazyGirlsBrian]

A lot of the original material is either unavailable due to being in a format for I no longer have working equipment capable of reading OR deteriorated in storage due to damp / dust etc.
As someone asked about knicker-filling I've enclosed a knicker-filling shot from one of the most recent shoots in 2005.
My final filming session was in February 2006, a few weeks before my wife's sudden death, although Andy from CrazyGirlsUK did do some later than that.

As far as girls under eighteen go,
ALL the material shot in Spain was over eighteen - ONE exception - the first visit of Kate which was due to a misunderstanding.
ALL of the material shot in Argentina was over eighteen - ONE exception - the girl who we did a shoot for her eighteenth birthday had faked her govt ID and it was actually her seventeenth birthday. It was good enough to fool not only me but my Argentina assistants. Her shoots were removed from the site a few weeks later when one of my assistants discovered it by chance and immediately informed me.
As far as material filmed in the UK goes - quite a mixture of mateial over eighteen and under eighteen as sixteen was the legal age in the UK at the time.
The following models were UNDER eighteen for at least some of their shoots:-
Angie - most of her stuff with me was under eighteen as she went to the USA soon after she was eighteen to become porn star Roxanne Hall.
Becky's first shoot
Beth including the infamous Millenium live shoot where she promised he boyfriend she wouldn't go topless and ended up deciding to go naked)
Bobbi (seen with Charlie in this thread in the Spaghetti session)
Britney
Chantelle - anything shot in the UK she was under eighteen, in Spain she was over eighteen
Corrina's first shoot (her first shoot was filmed before midnight when she was seventeen and after midnight on her eighteenth birthday!)
Farren
Jade - anything shot in the UK she was under eighteen, in Spain she was over eighteen
Jenny - some of her earliest shoots
Katie
Kris
Leone (as a lot of her stuff was with the late and sorely missed Shannon this means that most shoots with Shannon can't be used.
Melissa
Morgan (one wet set with Shaari & Kris)
Sami (about half of her stuff)
Shaari (one wet set with Morgan & Kris)
Tracey
Victoria
Despite that long list, in fact the under eighteen stuff was a minority of the Crazy Girls filming in the UK. Originally everything was labelled CrazyGirls.org but once I became aware of the under eighteen problem, all new material which included a girl under eighteen was labelled justsixteen.net
Anything labelled messygirls.org, girlsallwet.com or anything else should ONLY have girls over eighteen.
Avoid anything labelled justsixteen.net and take care with anythng labelled crazygirls.org

I now run an animal refuge in Argentina - www.rescueddoggies.com/photos/

Brian

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[mazza2512]

hi,

just wondering if anyone has stuff from jeorjia and summie-lee i believe they did some webcam stuff together aswell as lesbian shoots.
also did they not make a video called brians revenge and does anyone know where i can get a copy
many thanks,
mazza

[Deprime]

@ CrazyGirlsBrian,

Thank you for your honesty! I respect that.

But what I even respect more, is you started taking care of animals who need it. I'm not brave enough to watch the pics, I just can't see animal cruelty in any way.

So first crazygirls, now the animals, Keep up the great work! You did/and still do a great job!

[CrazyGirlsBrian]

As most of my stuff is inaccesible, even to me, I've contacted Andy from CrazyGirlsUK as he basically kept an archive of everything I shot from the time he first joined.
IF I ever find a way to access the old videos, I must do a reedit - at the time clips were uploaded in small short segments as most people had dial up or very slow broadband, likewise the photos were reduced in the earliest ones (and people still complained about the time to download the photos!)

[silnus]

Wow thanks for all the replys and pictures guys!

I do hope we can salvage any more that was lost with total consent from Brian of course.

[mulletmark]

Thank you so much for popping your head into this thread and filling in some of the blanks on the good old days, Brian. And for your comments too Bill. It'd be great if some of this old material could find it's way back into the public domain again, and if I can be of any help at all in assisting let me know. Not for the glory, just for the community.

Whilst I love a lot of the material being produced at the moment, I still feel none of it really captures the essence of Crazygirls and it's various guises - and the old Splosh stuff too

Fingers crossed on this one all.

[mudmonster79]

Just to add Brian - your site was awesome... and after finding the splosh site, it was the next site i actually remember in finding my way to the world of wet and messy!

[mazza2512]

hi,

does anyone have any more photos of all this stuff would really like to see some,

thanks

[mazza2512]

hi, does anyone have a copy of brians revenge at all,

thanks