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More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby ThatsUnfairTV » 22 Feb 2009, 20:18

Hi there,

Long time no speak. I just have a general question. We have been doing focus groups in New York City and Los Angeles in the US screening some stuff from our show. In them, I have asked the groups to be divided by the different countries they come from.

Granted, not ALL of our show involves the messy clips you have all grown accustomed to that I release. I have heard that people from other countries call Americans prudes and I would have to agree.

For example, in the US, no one was brilliant enough to invent a whole genre called sploshing. All we had was the occasional pie in the face bit and maybe slime (but that was Canadian afterall). :) And before that, Noel was gunging people on a weekly basis.

I was wondering what are your thoughts on this? Do you think more of a European crowd is less uptight and can have more fun with messy humor as opposed to us "prudish" Americans?
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby BillShipton » 22 Feb 2009, 23:41

Sorry I don't really do nationalistic stereotypes. Some Americans get it as do some Europeans. Equally some don't. The only difference surely is what different countries see as popular entertainment. For instance, as we know in Japan, they are prepared to tolerate a much higher degree of humiliation. However I don't believe that makes the Japanese crueller as people.

In Britain, sure we came up with sploshing, Noel had a gunge tank etc, but then the Americans created silent slapstick comedy... I really don't think it is a cultural thing.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby eden » 23 Feb 2009, 09:22

I think that I agree with Bill. People always say that Americans don't get British comedy, which I disagree with. That things may be more popular in one culture than another doesn't mean to say that people aren't accommodating of that type of humour.

There is, however, evidence that some differences in fetishes and/or sexual practises can be explained culturally, but I don't think any pysch/socio journals are going to look into sploshing anytime soon. Shame on them.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby fliptheswitch » 28 Feb 2009, 09:22

In general We Americans love some types of british humor - From Benny Hill to Python to Ab Fab to Ricky Gervais. Thanks to the BBCAmerica channel (which carries UK-origin shows from all channels) I love Alan Partridge and The Kumars. (over the holidays I saw a Public Broadcaster still reruning Are You Being Served? episodes - suprised the tapes haven't broken yet)

From the Three Stooges on, americans also pie fight humor. We dont think of WAMmy humor as the British. WAMmy humor is lowbrow and British is highbrow (Benny Hill is on the border). Wammy humor is seen as childish or humiliating. It's what a show does when they've run out of ideas. When Jimmy Carr hosted our version of Distraction, there was a WAMmy stunt every episode - depicted as humiliating.

The big difference is that while Messy is funny, it's not broadly seen as sexy or flirty here. It's usually seen as icky, or gross. Intentionally Wet is sexy, however.

Sure there are a few of WAM lovers, but we're considered pervy, and you tend not do discuss it in polite company. I think the UK is actually far less sexually repressed than the US. Pre-Internet, a US teenager needed someone to buy him a playboy to see his first boobies. In the UK, you just buy a newspaper and skip through the first few pages.

Whether Splosh Magazine caused it or just recognized it, the UK is the WAM capital, with Japan far a head of the US.
When I buy a professional WAM video online, I nearly expect the girl to have a british accent. The UK 1/5 the US population, but 3-4 times the WAM video output. Even the first US-made WAM videos I saw had half-british casts...

To have a semi-regular meet and greet like you'll have in London on the 5th, is far beyond what we expect.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby BillShipton » 28 Feb 2009, 10:12

I am sure Benny Hill would have been delighted to be described as 'on the borders' of highbrow! Though technically speaking you are right - he did a lot of clever wordplay as well as slapstick comedy. But that was all 20-plus years ago and I think you'd have a job getting a sexy, physical comedy show off the ground in the UK now.

Within mainstream TV I think almost all countries use messy stunts for either comedic or 'humiliation' purposes rather than being sexy. One thing that we have done at Splosh! is make people aware that it can be fun to do (and arousing) and now you will get the occasional joke/scene where WAM is portrayed in that light but they are very rare outside late night shows about sex (of which we have done our fair share!). We have also gone out of our way to promote sploshing as an activity as opposed to just ourselves because we believe that people need to feel comfortable about what they like rather than being a weirdo buying stuff from a weird company. Everything we have done has been aimed at being friendly and inclusive. PERHAPS the Americans are more commercial and just promote their products rather than wanting to make people feel good about liking the subject. Again this is a generalisation, so isn't true in all cases, but we at Splosh! have very definitely gone down the path of promoting the subject first and us second, which might explain why the Brits are more 'out' about it.

Another reason for 'sexy sploshy' items on TV is that the UK has had a HUGE number of series (specially on satellite and cable) 'celebrating' unusual activities, sometimes sexual but not always. Sploshing is seen as a good item for these shows as it is sexy without being crude, pervy but without pain, fun, funny and extremely good visually. As a result we are now almost miffed if a new series of this sort starts and we AREN'T invited! These shows are cheap and easy to make, get repeated constantly, but rely on people prepared to come out and talk (and take part) on camera for little or no money. I have always been prepared to do this on the grounds mentioned above, but I am not sure many others would. The quantity of these shows and our willingness to set up items for them has also added to the amount of messy TV in the UK.

As for the UK being most prolific in terms of non-mainstream messy videos, I think there are indeed three or four very productive companies and the UK has been turning out WAM films for nearly 20 years. I also think some foreign companies used to be lazy (not so true now) and rather than find their own messy models would simply invite UK girls over cos they knew they would be good. As a UK producer this used to piss me off cos we found the girls and got them used to this sort of performance,only for others to then invite them over with wads of money and free holidays leaving us without any performers. It still happens in a very few cases, though obviously American WAM stars have now grown up as well and many are very good. We even have global stars like Tigerr Benson, based in Belgium but travelling the world doing all sorts of bizarre stuff for people so long as it's something she enjoys (which sploshing definitely is).

So again I don't think necessarily it is a case of national character or sense of humour (or is it humor?), purely practicalities and the people who have been involved in the way WAM/sploshing has developed. I am bloody sure that if I'd have been born and bred in the US I would still have set up Splosh!, make messy films etc etc. Damn I may even have made it onto Leno or Letterman rather than Living TV! It isn't about being British...

Sorry to go on...

Bill

PS Having read this, it seems to imply that everything revolves around me, and I think I did everything. That is not the case. I can only talk about MY involvement, not anyone else's. It is not meant to sound as though the entire world of WAM is down to me. Sorry, if it does.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby noise » 05 Mar 2009, 09:59

The stereotypes of a difference in humour between U.S and U.K as Bill points out is absolute bullshit. The other difference i would point out is in language, hence UK shows get bought by U.S channels and re-filmed such as The Office which had as much success as it's UK version. Ricky Gervaise picked up some nice transatlantic awards to match his U.S ones.

The one that really pisses me off is Americans don't get irony. That is wholesale bollocks. I live half the year in the U.S, i know what i am talking about, and i live on irony, sarcasm and understatement. It's a smart thing. The same percentage of U.S people are as thick as shit as the percentage in the U.K give or take the deep south. The U.S simply has more people.

There are some huge cultural differences between the UK and U.S (Say the word "cunt" in front of twenty random Americans then 20 random Brits and watch the reaction) such as manners, friendlyness to complete strangers, food (Try getting a good cheese in the U.S or a decent cup of tea. Man... i bought an English Breakfast Tea in a highbrow coffee shop in Orange County and took it straight back to patiently explain we don't drink the dishwater). A boot is a trunk, a hood is a bonnet and don't ever EVER for fucks sake step outside to "Smoke a fag". You will either be arrested or beaten up...

Unless you are in San Fransisco where you will be applauded until you fired one up... then you will be socially ostracized. I use the Zed deliberately rather than a Zee just to confuse matters.

We think Starbucks has taken over the UK... the reason people have a fence around their garden (yard) in the U.S is so they don't come home to find a fresh Starbucks next to the shed and a puzzled looking dog.

The U.S is famous for it's expensive white teeth, wheras we don't pay for ours. The majority of Americans may as well leave out the coffee and just have hot water, flavoured creamer and 10 sugars in a cup. Americans just do not use kettles, however a lack of a waste disposal unit in a house will just not add up. I am also always mildly suprised that when i buy a fresh banana here that it doesn't have a light coating of blueberry sugar. They drive on the wrong side of the road, yet the roads are in fact big enough for cars, lots of cars... and the roads are not complicated by bends. You can in fact get to wherever you are going by purely turning right in a city. In California you can turn left on a RED LIGHT. Imagine doing THAT for the first time with a cop behind you. That cop incidentally has a GUN and has no doubt aimed it at someone in his carreer no matter how short that is. In the boot (trunk) he also has an assault rifle and a shotgun. You should feel safe, but you have probably been driven past by a civilian equally well armed, just not so well trained.
In a few states, most notably Texas almost everybody has a gun and insects either suck your blood or kill you. Every state has animals that will simply kill you. The most dangerous animal you will come across in the wild in the UK is a slightly grumpy squirrel (And if you can tell me where that quote comes from you get 3 months free membership of my site).
In the U.S just as many kids ride skateboards, except they tend to be good at it. The U.S bitches about the price of gas, yet the advertisements on TV will have you beieve that 35 MPG is a good rate. Watch the disbelief when you tell Americans a lot of European cars run on diesel and outperform American cars in every aspect. Tell them a good European or Japanese car in the UK will go 45 - 50+ MPG and watch them think you are a liar. Then empathise that American cars share the same relationship in a spiral of shiteness and decline as English cars. Except English car companies go bust but CEO's of American car companies fly by jet to Washington to ask for Billion dollar bail outs. Watch America as it uses "The Left" as an insult, then turns to socialism as it bails out industry after industry as capitalism fails horrendously through greed. The same sin that is and always will be the downfall of communism. In the UK a right winger is a conservative, in the U.S a right wing conservative is someone who bends words of the Bible to mean and prove whatever socially absurd agenda they may have. In the wrong part of the U.S being an atheist will get you killed... however for the most part you will be defended saying whatever the fuck you want to say. Someone may think you are completely misguided dangerous idiot, but by god he will defend your right to say it.
In the U.S 90% of people will tell you the U.S.A is the greatest country in the world, however under 15% of Americans hold a passport. In the UK everyone just simply wants to live in another country. We bitch about immigration, but we have it sweet compared with every Mexican border state in the U.S. California is one of the biggest economies in the world, but it is technically bankrupt and governed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Fondly known as The Governator - note the irony and humour. Only in America could a foreign born movie star become the governor of state.

I love this country. It bemuses me, makes me welcome and has variation that blows my mind.


So, yeah... lots of cultural differences. I don't think humour is one of them, i certainly don't believe uptightness levels are differant, if anything the U.S is a more relaxed country as a whole... it has to be with so much crazy shit going on :)
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby mattbuck » 05 Mar 2009, 23:35

I'm afraid you're wrong Noise. We British don't want to live in another country, we just really like complaining about the one we're in. Besides, if we moved to another country, they wouldn't understand our complaining, and what's the point of complaining if no one's listening?
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby odtaa » 30 Mar 2009, 00:23

I believe that the reason getting gunged or wammed is partly to do with school uniform, partially down to our weird code of conduct. The thought of getting dressed up and then to have the clothes totally messed up is good therapy for all those miserable years of yes sir - no sir repressed days.

English English is very different to American English. Even today we hide our light under a bushel. Do you know how to do something? Well a little. In English English really means well I'm really the world expert in the field. Having your shirt soaking with custard and your pants ozzing syrup gets you out of the framework for an instant, though I suspect many sessions end up in tea drinking. (Note the end of Max Mosely's hard hitting orgy ended up with them all standing around drinking tea, with proper cups and saucers - a fitting end to any English activity).

I think the English WAM videos etc tend to have more humour and tend to be more respectful to the victims then the Americans. However that is probably because the hard core boys are seeing WAM as a money making venture.

I did see on Sexetra, a prgramme about sex, that there was a group of Americans that dress up as clowns and then indulge quite explicitly in sexual activity that often involves slapstick. However, though they are obviously having fun and a laugh they do take it more seriously than we do.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby BillShipton » 30 Mar 2009, 08:28

Being a serious clown doesn't work for me. Even those Clown Conventions where everyone discusses Comedia del Arte and the role of the Auguste strike me as pompous rubbish. Half the fun of sploshing is the anarchy and the comedy. Not sure whether that's cos I'm British and wore school uniform (mine was rubbish by the way those it was at least a mixed school) or just the nature of my character.
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Re: More of a WAM sense of humor: UK or US?

Postby Squelch » 30 Mar 2009, 22:08

noise wrote: The same percentage of U.S people are as thick as shit as the percentage in the U.K give or take the deep south.

Hope there's no wammers from St Austell or Falmouth reading this.
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