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Postby driversoft » 21 Jul 2008, 13:26

PleasePieMeMistress wrote:
driversoft wrote:Looking around the interweb, I found the following link:

http://www.conservation-by-design.co.uk ... ies22.html

Looks like the right stuff, is non-hazardous (apparantly, and a pre-requisite for us!), and the viscosity is entirely temperature controlled. I've tried to place a small order to see if it'll get through.


Available by the kilo. Which based on previous experience means that's enough for about 50 litres! For less than £20+ P&P


Just had confirmation my orders being processed - they also add a 'small order' charge of a fiver, seven pounds fifty standard postage, and VAT - so 2 Kg is about £50 or so - but hey, if that'll make 100 litres of the stuff, as PleasePieMeMistress suggests, it's even better value than Natrasol...
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Postby PleasePieMeMistress » 21 Jul 2008, 14:36

I bought some when I was in the US, but from an american chemical company. Having read the info on the one you've bought it says it's watersoluable in cold water, but not hot!
The Methylcellulose I have is the other way around, which makes for warm slippery goo :-)
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Postby driversoft » 21 Jul 2008, 15:30

Yes, I was wondering the same thing - but it also says the viscosity is temperature dependant - I think some experimentation is called for, as the impression I get is that with hot water its a gel, and viscosity scales as the temperature decreases. The Natrosol I have also requires hot/warm water to dissolve.
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Postby smittybill53 » 21 Jul 2008, 15:35

Having used MethylCellulose I can attest to having to disolve it in hot water then waiting for it to cool down. However if you are stateside I don't think there are any distributors of Natrosol without being in large bulk quantities, ie 50lb or more.

I ordered my Methylcellulose from www.chemistrystore.com cost me $30 US with shipping for a half kilo. Took about half that to make 2.5gal thick enough for what I wanted. Just remember that if your using food coloring, the color of the water dosen't mean that will be the color of your finished gunge.

I'd thought I'd made a nice dark green solution but once the gunge set, it was so pale it could have been mistaken for clear. :roll: The stuff definately keeps as long as your container was clean to start with.

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Postby Mz_Mess » 22 Jul 2008, 13:54

Hmmm... I'm liking this discussion very much.

Looking at some of the sites suggested, it has definite potential for a WAMming sesh, however, I do have one problem...

Disposal? :D Even if storage is quite easy, how do I get rid of it when I eventually decide to?

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Postby BillShipton » 22 Jul 2008, 14:36

Being water based it doesn't do any harm in the sewers etc so just put it down the toilet - or you nearest drain.
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Postby Mz_Mess » 22 Jul 2008, 18:09

Ah, thanks

was a bit worried I'd be getting odd looks off the bin men :wink:
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Postby shorty2kuk » 28 Jul 2008, 12:00

any update on this yet?
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Postby QuickSlime69 » 28 Jul 2008, 19:34

Just had confirmation my orders being processed - they also add a 'small order' charge of a fiver, seven pounds fifty standard postage, and VAT - so 2 Kg is about £50 or so - but hey, if that'll make 100 litres of the stuff, as PleasePieMeMistress suggests, it's even better value than Natrasol...


That's actually more expensive than what I've experienced with Natrasol. My last order for 2kg of Natrasol was £ 32 + VAT and P&P which came to just under £ 42, but most importantly that 2kg of Natrasol made me 150 L of thick gunge.

There is also very little difference between Methylcellulose and Hydroxyethylcellulose (Natrasol). The major difference comes in their solubility.

Methylcellulose will try to immediately for a gel the second it comes into contact with cold water. A gluey layer forms around pockets of dry powder which is sometimes known as 'fish eyes'. However Methylcellulose won't dissolve in hot water, so the way Methylcellulose is mixed is by allowing it to disperse in hot water and allowing the gel to form as it cools down. Interestingly if you then reheat this gel it'll become solid but then melts as it cools.

Pure Natrasol will attempt to form a gel with watr immediately regardless of water temperature. However the Natrasol supplied by the Basic Chemical Company for gunge is a grade known as HR250. R grades of Natrasol have been treated with minor quantities of a chemical called Glyoxal during production. Glyoxal slows the rate at which the Natrasol forms a gel with water. The time delay caused by Glyoxal is shortened by hotter water. Natrasol mixed in 30oC water will require around 10 minutes stirring, Natrasol mixed in 10oC water will require 80 minutes stirring. It is not a good idea to quickly make buckets of Natrasol gunge by making tem in really hot water and letting them cool over night as Natrasol gunge gets thicker as it cools, what once was a thick hot goo will turn into a cold jelly brick.

TBH I prefer to stick to Natrasol out of cost and ease. When I want a really stretchy look slime I just add something called Polyethylene Oxide (Poly Ox). I found a link to a place that seemed to do some cheap Poly Ox in the UK, my last lot came from the US, I've not tied them yet. Its on my work PC, next time I'm there I make a note of it.
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Postby GeOrDiE_bOy » 28 Jul 2008, 20:12

QuickSlime69 wrote:
Just had confirmation my orders being processed - they also add a 'small order' charge of a fiver, seven pounds fifty standard postage, and VAT - so 2 Kg is about £50 or so - but hey, if that'll make 100 litres of the stuff, as PleasePieMeMistress suggests, it's even better value than Natrasol...


That's actually more expensive than what I've experienced with Natrasol. My last order for 2kg of Natrasol was £ 32 + VAT and P&P which came to just under £ 42, but most importantly that 2kg of Natrasol made me 150 L of thick gunge.

There is also very little difference between Methylcellulose and Hydroxyethylcellulose (Natrasol). The major difference comes in their solubility.

Methylcellulose will try to immediately for a gel the second it comes into contact with cold water. A gluey layer forms around pockets of dry powder which is sometimes known as 'fish eyes'. However Methylcellulose won't dissolve in hot water, so the way Methylcellulose is mixed is by allowing it to disperse in hot water and allowing the gel to form as it cools down. Interestingly if you then reheat this gel it'll become solid but then melts as it cools.

Pure Natrasol will attempt to form a gel with watr immediately regardless of water temperature. However the Natrasol supplied by the Basic Chemical Company for gunge is a grade known as HR250. R grades of Natrasol have been treated with minor quantities of a chemical called Glyoxal during production. Glyoxal slows the rate at which the Natrasol forms a gel with water. The time delay caused by Glyoxal is shortened by hotter water. Natrasol mixed in 30oC water will require around 10 minutes stirring, Natrasol mixed in 10oC water will require 80 minutes stirring. It is not a good idea to quickly make buckets of Natrasol gunge by making tem in really hot water and letting them cool over night as Natrasol gunge gets thicker as it cools, what once was a thick hot goo will turn into a cold jelly brick.

TBH I prefer to stick to Natrasol out of cost and ease. When I want a really stretchy look slime I just add something called Polyethylene Oxide (Poly Ox). I found a link to a place that seemed to do some cheap Poly Ox in the UK, my last lot came from the US, I've not tied them yet. Its on my work PC, next time I'm there I make a note of it.


I seen your gunge is dead thick, how much do the tanks hold and how much power do you use? Also where do you get your supplies from?
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Postby QuickSlime69 » 28 Jul 2008, 22:13

I typically use around 12.5 g of Natrasol/litre of water. Which nicely makes 80L per kilo of powder. The thickest I'd ever go is about 16 g/l which is approaching hair gel thickness but that wasn't recorded. I get the Natrasol from Basic Chemical Company. The pic in the TARDIS thread entitled Alien Drool is an example of my Natrasol/Poly Ox mix. The Kong Snot and Quicksand slimes are completely different.

One of the tricks to making gunge look thicker than it really is in it's colouring. Translucent goo looks thinner than opaque goo of the same thickness. Helizarin dyes that the BBC can stain clothes. Instead I use powder paint which is surprisingly hard to get hold of but to make it opaque I always add some white powder paint to what ever colour I choose.

The largest tank has max capacity of 27L, the four tanks that go into one funnel in the Super Slime Challenge are all max 8L and the hose sprayers max 3L each.
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Postby wamfandave » 31 Jul 2008, 01:07

I love getting gunged with nastrol - it's such a fantastic feeling! Would be interested to see what methycelulose is like. Have you managed to give it a try yet Driversoft? Would like to hear a review comparing the nastrol and the methycelulose out of interest.

What I'd really like to know is how they get the gunge like it is on Bound2bmessy and sister sites - mine never gets like that!
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Postby driversoft » 06 Aug 2008, 12:05

shorty2kuk wrote:any update on this yet?


Right - I've finally collected this from my Post Office, so I now have 2 Kg of a white powder labelled SUMCCL6625 - and no other details. I guess this calls for some experimentation - anyone care to assist??
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Postby shorty2kuk » 12 Aug 2008, 13:37

driversoft how did it work out?
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Postby driversoft » 13 Aug 2008, 21:36

shorty2kuk wrote:driversoft how did it work out?


Not very well, unfortunately. Either there's a very specific mixture, or I just didn't try the right combination. I did end up with smallish amounts of gloop, but it seemed to require a large amount of powder - almost as though it was the powder itself changing consistency, rather than absorbing much of the water.

Stilll - I'll keep trying occasionally - I have plenty of it left.
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