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Postby DungeonMasterOne » 15 Apr 2008, 02:42

My Pet Rant: Regarding the labelling thing (and this applies to just about all forums bar the wetlook ones) - how come it's regarded as so vital to label the CD/TV posts but no-one ever bothers to give any hint as to whether a post is clothed or not?

Personally, I don't like nudity or skimpiness (as you can probably tell from my site! :D ). I also don't like wasting other people's sites' bandwidth opening posts / images only to find they're full- or nearly- nude.

Yet no-one ever bothers to label anything "clothed", "skimpy", or whatever.

As to the topic, I think the reason this "must label male content" thing comes up so often on WAM forums is because WAM is unusual in having a very high ratio of watchers to do-ers. My impression of various other fetish scenes I've encountered has been that most of the people in them do at least a small amount of the relevant activities themselves. In WAM on the other hand, there seems to be a vast number of "watchers" who either don't Splosh themselves at all, or only ever do so solo (i.e. no partners present, never mind anyone else) and in strict privacy. That's not meant in a bad way - TBH WAM lends itself to solo appreciation rather more than many fetishes do - but it may affect people's perceptions.

Given that the UMD is the main commercial portal (and TBH we're lucky it's there, not many fetishes have such an effective and well focussed portal, as Noise said), it's bound to have an even higher ratio of watchers to do-ers, and people who are looking for commercial products possibly aren't entirely happy finding "amateur" stuff, especially if it's "not their orientation", popping up in the middle of their searches? Just a thought.

Lastly, it's foolish to try and lump all Americans together - such a vast country has enormous differences of thought, belief, and practice from one area to another. I've been to a US city where the general attitudes and values of the people I met were more European than some Europeans are!
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Postby midniter » 15 Apr 2008, 02:55

Seanooc wrote:There was plenty of proof before my post was edited and eventually taken down on umd - what was the point of further voicing my concerns when it's just going to be deleted?

Currently enjoying the flan in my knickers - thanks. :wink:

OK.. thanks. I'll look into this.

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PS: The flan in the knickers was kinda meant for everyone.. but go with it anyways.
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Postby leonmoomin » 15 Apr 2008, 03:17

Good God!

There are more assholes there, but, that's more of a relative thing as the UMD is a fairly massive community compared to this, so inevitably the more people the more assholes!

The UMD is a place that caters mainly to fans who like to see wet and messy women! As such a large part of the people who visit there expect to find such content!

It is however tolerant for the most part of CDs and male wam, so long as such posts are marked CD or Male wam! What's the biggie? Is it such a hardship to add a CD in the topic title for a place where the bulk of the viewers don't actually want to see male wam?

Here is different, its seems most of the people who visit here are either CDs or like to look at CDs or due to the size of the community know who's posts to avoid!

Has it really got to the level now when people who don't want to see messy men dressed as women are instantly labeled as bigots? WTF? That's a matter of taste and sexual preference, not one of bigotry or prejudice!

I for one find this forum to be the repressive one! I have never felt unwelcome in any of the other forums, not like this one! I have never found so many rules of posting as in this one! I have never been told I can't post as much as I like and as often as I like, like I have here! And you guys are getting upset about having to add two little letters!
Not like I was trying to post mainstream porn or scat fetish or anything, just wam!

Only the other day I was reading a comment by Bill on how he was upset at the level of commercial wam posts on this forum, I checked and laughably there was only two posts by commercial wam producers on the page!!

I for one am a WAMer, I will never be a Splosher and never was!
Yes, I'm British, I also have no particular love of the US of A, but the word WAM is so much more cool than the word Splosh, for some reason, to me the word Splosh sounds like something that David Bellamy would say, but that's just a matter of opinion!

As is this whole topic!
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My apologies

Postby Messmaster » 15 Apr 2008, 03:20

Hello Splosh forum.

I'm writing to apologize to Beatrice Pickles. I'm sorry if you were made to feel unwelcome to my forum when you were asked to put "cd" in the subject line of your future posts. I'm sure he meant no harm, but I understand that being pointed out like that was offensive anyway. Some people just have it in their heads that the forum needs to cater to just their needs, and if anyone wants to post something that they don't like, then they want to be warned ahead of time via the subject line.

My site has no official policy that says you must take extra measures to warn these people that you're posting a crossdressing post. We're all adults. If they see your picture and don't like it, then they can click their back button. As long as your post is about wam, then I consider it on equal footing with anything else that gets posted, straight or otherwise. There is absolutely no reason why you should HAVE to put "CD" in the subject while straight posts don't have to do anything. That said, being that there are more straight, male visitors than CD's, it could be considered courtesy to be more detailed in the subject line. But I will never require that or even request it. Those who think everybody should tiptoe around their particular subset of the wam fetish won't be catered to at my site. You're welcome to post all you want, with any subject you choose.

I also want to apologize to seanooc. Your post was edited. I'd be pissed. I verified that it did happen and I'm currently talking with the mods to find out why. I am making it official policy on my site that posts are NEVER to be edited for any reason.

Thanks for listening to my rant, and thanks Splosh for giving me a place to address these issues!

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Postby LiberatorWAM » 15 Apr 2008, 03:57

Hi Beatrice

As you know I was the guy who spent all day PM'ing you trying to ensure that you kept your post "live" on the UMD. In the end, against my advice, you wanted me to delete it.

I just found out that it had Seanoc's post in the deleted thread. As Beatrice made the thread it was his decision to have it deleted.

I really did want you to keep the thread active on the UMD because male wam on the UMD is rare and it needs all the exposure and help it needs. You will always get a few members complaining but you take it on the chin and move on...

I apoligise for ANYONE that had a post in the deleted thread but Beatrice asked me to delete HIS thread.

Beatrice can clarify that.
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Postby Beatrice » 15 Apr 2008, 05:52

please refrain from calling me HIM when im taking the role of Bea please as its quite offensive!
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Postby SamW » 15 Apr 2008, 08:17

Seanooc wrote:
Currently enjoying the flan in my knickers - thanks. :wink:



Flan in your knickers...... WHAT..... without me :( :( :(

well said tho baby !!

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Re: My apologies

Postby Seanooc » 15 Apr 2008, 09:48

Messmaster wrote:Hello Splosh forum.

I'm writing to apologize to Beatrice Pickles. I'm sorry if you were made to feel unwelcome to my forum when you were asked to put "cd" in the subject line of your future posts. I'm sure he meant no harm, but I understand that being pointed out like that was offensive anyway. Some people just have it in their heads that the forum needs to cater to just their needs, and if anyone wants to post something that they don't like, then they want to be warned ahead of time via the subject line.

My site has no official policy that says you must take extra measures to warn these people that you're posting a crossdressing post. We're all adults. If they see your picture and don't like it, then they can click their back button. As long as your post is about wam, then I consider it on equal footing with anything else that gets posted, straight or otherwise. There is absolutely no reason why you should HAVE to put "CD" in the subject while straight posts don't have to do anything. That said, being that there are more straight, male visitors than CD's, it could be considered courtesy to be more detailed in the subject line. But I will never require that or even request it. Those who think everybody should tiptoe around their particular subset of the wam fetish won't be catered to at my site. You're welcome to post all you want, with any subject you choose.

I also want to apologize to seanooc. Your post was edited. I'd be pissed. I verified that it did happen and I'm currently talking with the mods to find out why. I am making it official policy on my site that posts are NEVER to be edited for any reason.

Thanks for listening to my rant, and thanks Splosh for giving me a place to address these issues!

Messmaster


Thanks Messmaster - I really appreciate your really professional posting. I hope hearing comments from the "Boss" will clear things up for a lot of people. I have always loved your site I think the wam community would be lost without it. :D :D :D Keep up the good work. :)
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Postby BillShipton » 15 Apr 2008, 12:00

leonmoomin wrote:
I for one find this forum to be the repressive one! I have never felt unwelcome in any of the other forums, not like this one! I have never found so many rules of posting as in this one! I have never been told I can't post as much as I like and as often as I like, like I have here!


It is only because we are trying to create a forum that is different from UMD rather than repeat the same commercial posts that already appear there that we don't encourage them to the same extent. .

So far we haven't set any 'rules' about commercial posts. If we do, it will be after consulting members about what they want, not a dictat from me. As for discouraging you personally, we haven't done anything of the sort. We even tinkered with the software to accomodate your pictures, since when you haven't posted any!

I would also dispute your comment about this forum being mainly for CDs. I think there is a fine mix of men and women here as well as those who like to dress.

BTW can I also thank Messmaster and Co for popping over and helping clear up any grievances. It was exactly what was needed.
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Postby leonmoomin » 15 Apr 2008, 13:33

It is only because we are trying to create a forum that is different from UMD rather than repeat the same commercial posts that already appear there that we don't encourage them to the same extent. .


I do understand that, however as a wamer who just happens to create media and sell it, the owners and operators of this forum have not made me feel welcome, in addition to this I saw a young guy who is trying his hand for the first time at making wam, get shot down for trying to sell anything on here! Its fine, but the bendy line is bullshit! Just make this forum a non-commercial one, clear and simple!
"No commercial posts at all!", rather than, "No commercial posts other than those that fit within the confines of our ever moving wobbly line!"

So far we haven't set any 'rules' about commercial posts. If we do, it will be after consulting members about what they want, not a dictat from me. As for discouraging you personally, we haven't done anything of the sort. We even tinkered with the software to accomodate your pictures, since when you haven't posted any!


I know you did, but just after you did that, you tore a shred out of UKWam, your position on subjects is often very clear without you having to directly say anything!
I just can't be bothered being anywhere where I have to watch what I say and do, reminds me of being back in school!

I would also dispute your comment about this forum being mainly for CDs. I think there is a fine mix of men and women here as well as those who like to dress.


Of course there is, that why I said:
"Here is different, its seems most of the people who visit here are either CDs or like to look at CDs or due to the size of the community know who's posts to avoid!"

The actual members of this forum made me feel very welcome, thanks!
But there is an overwhelming feeling of being an unwanted gatecrasher at someone's party!

The UMD was criticized for being something that it isn't!

I feel always welcome in the UMD and messmaster is a friend of mine!
So just felt that the point that everyone gets different things from the different forums, that's why they all exist, needed saying!!
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Postby LiberatorWAM » 15 Apr 2008, 13:48

Beatrice wrote:please refrain from calling me HIM when im taking the role of Bea please as its quite offensive!


Sorry Beatrice. I am not that good when it comes to using the correct vocabulary when I address CD/TV etc. I didn't mean to offend. I was trying to point out that as the thread was made by you it was YOUR decision to have it deleted after I spent the day trying to talk you out of it.
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Postby BillShipton » 15 Apr 2008, 16:52

leonmoomin wrote:
It is only because we are trying to create a forum that is different from UMD rather than repeat the same commercial posts that already appear there that we don't encourage them to the same extent. .


I do understand that, however as a wamer who just happens to create media and sell it, the owners and operators of this forum have not made me feel welcome, in addition to this I saw a young guy who is trying his hand for the first time at making wam, get shot down for trying to sell anything on here! Its fine, but the bendy line is bullshit! Just make this forum a non-commercial one, clear and simple!
"No commercial posts at all!", rather than, "No commercial posts other than those that fit within the confines of our ever moving wobbly line!"

So far we haven't set any 'rules' about commercial posts. If we do, it will be after consulting members about what they want, not a dictat from me. As for discouraging you personally, we haven't done anything of the sort. We even tinkered with the software to accomodate your pictures, since when you haven't posted any!


I know you did, but just after you did that, you tore a shred out of UKWam, your position on subjects is often very clear without you having to directly say anything!
I just can't be bothered being anywhere where I have to watch what I say and do, reminds me of being back in school!

I would also dispute your comment about this forum being mainly for CDs. I think there is a fine mix of men and women here as well as those who like to dress.


Of course there is, that why I said:
"Here is different, its seems most of the people who visit here are either CDs or like to look at CDs or due to the size of the community know who's posts to avoid!"

The actual members of this forum made me feel very welcome, thanks!
But there is an overwhelming feeling of being an unwanted gatecrasher at someone's party!

The UMD was criticized for being something that it isn't!

I feel always welcome in the UMD and messmaster is a friend of mine!
So just felt that the point that everyone gets different things from the different forums, that's why they all exist, needed saying!!



As I said before, at present we have not set any rules about commercial posts and we will be asking ALL the members their feelings about them before we do. If you have been made to feel unwelcome, I'm sorry. All we have ever done is say that we would rather not have five threads a week promoting your different sites. We don't want that number of commercial posts from any one commercial organisation. As for UKWAM we are perfectly happy to welcome them to our forum with open arms. He was the one who thought that commercial posts were discouraged and all we did was point out that since he was unlikely to be posting more than one a week, it was no problem. OK there is no hard rule yet. We will ask what people want and then decide. I doubt it will be an 'all or nothing' approach. That seems even more unwelcoming. I think a compromise where people can advertise their goods once a week seems reasonable but it will be for the members to decide.

I am sorry you feel like a gatecrasher at someone else's party. Since I have had no direct communication with you I can't see how that is my fault. As you say, the members made you welcome, so what's your problem? I really don't see what we've done to annoy you.

I agree the UMD has been criticised on this thread but not by us. On the contrary we have gone out of our way to make it clear that the views expressed are those of individuals not the forum itself and now Messmaster has been in touch hopefully the matter is all but cleared up. We have always said the both forums have their pros and cons, have never claimed to be 'better' than anyone else and that people should enjoy both.

I welcome any other comments you may have, Leon, and a thread debating the commercial/not commercial post subject will be started shortly for exactly that purpose. Until then I suggest that the UMD element of this discussion is closed.
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Postby matt2matt2002 » 15 Apr 2008, 17:02

Well said.
enf hot hair has been expressed on this subject.
:wink:
lets move on folks

sorry this has come out twice
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but I can't prove it.
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