Has anyone ever encountered a public messing while just out?

[Etonman]

yeah. that freaks me out: you should never even have to consider 'tricking' someone into sex, wrong, wrong, wrong. seduction isn't tricking someone.

Why should sucess with women be confined to pop stars, film stars and footballers. Why shouldn't the ordinary man in the street be allowed to experience similar success? If you want to be successful with women then you will have to trick them into thinking you are what pick up gurus call 'The Alpha Male'.

If you want to be successful with women then you have to understand that women are fussy and only go for high value males, therefore you have to try to pretend to be a high value male.

A high value male is a leader, is ambitious, has a choice in women, is confident and arrogant. ie when he speaks everyone else listens. Has great fashion sense, etc. All these things can be faked by ordinary men. This story in the News of The World shows what I mean: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/bb/0107_shab.shtml

What absolute, total and utter crap! (and, I'd guess, quoted verbatim from your pick-up guru's? )

You are so, so, wrong, deluded and misguided, that, like the others, I just don't know where to begin!

You don't read or take notice of anything anyone has written, just spout this drivel....the fact that you quote a comic like the "News of the Screws" as your authority says it all!

I need a drink!

[dirtydids]

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If you want to be 'sucessfull' with someone like me a lovely personality , gsoh and above all integrity is the only way to go - and you cant fake that.

FIN

I second that Babe very true

Stonecastle: Why not just TRY and be a normal bloke, forget everything you read or hear, every girl i know prefers a fella to just be himself, its crap thinking about "Alpha Males" I have heard personally from good female friends what they think of fella's who try and make out they are something its obvious they are not. Just be yourself and dont brag etc, if a girl likes you she will show it in some way, but what you are saying on this thread will only eventually get you into some serious trouble.


dids

[BillShipton]

All the women I know (above the age of about 17 anyway) would say that the arrogant, dominant Alpha male is exactly the guy who turns them off. A pretend one would be even worse. At the risk of stereotyping, in the US (where success and positivity is everything) this gambit might just conceivably work. In the UK humility and realism is valued far more highly.

If you want it dressed up in guru-speak, yes, you do need some sort of unique selling point. But it is far better to try and capitalise on the assets you DO have rather than pretend you have others you don't. If they only extend to a stupid sense of humour and slightly bizarre taste in clothing (who? me?) go with that. Being warm and friendly - and honest - gets you a lot further than being an arrogant twat in this country at least.

I was in the pub on my own last night (pause for "Aaaahhhs".......not a sausage) whilst an excellent rock band played and must have chatted to half a dozen women I have never met before. I wasn't looking to pull, and didn't, but at no point was I told to fuck off for being creepy. I employed absolutely no techniques nor attempts to be a dominant male, I just got into jokey conversation. Had I been looking for it, I would have at least ended the night with a snoggy dance and I am far older and uglier (and, judging by my tax return, more unsuccessful) than anyone else in the pub or here. Honesty rules.

Thanks for your advice, Stonecastle, but you really are so wrong.

[DecadentDoll]

Well said Bill and everyone else. Here's my own final word on the matter.

Stonecastle, I think we've all been more than tolerant of your blatant criticising and refusal to see sense from us all. Your delusion is worrying. These are real people giving you opinions on their own life experience, not trying to sell a book or pick up advice. We're all just human beings trying to have a good time and enjoy our shared fetish.

You're the first person to criticise when people talk about something you don't like, or show photos of it. How many times do we have to hear how you don't like foam pies, or you don't think we have enough women(???),despite the fact we have a lot of strong female personalities here. Women who could kick you into touch any day of the week.

We at Splosh pride ourselves in the fact our forum has some of the most wonderfully funny, genuine exciting women the fetish has to offer posting on here.

So, you don't like foam pies, or honesty when it comes to forming relationships with women.

Well, we don't want to know about the pick up artist community or any of the disturbing individuals that inhabit it. Their bedpost count will never impress me, nor will their ability to get large sums of money out of poor unsuspecting folk like you.

Decadent Doll xxxxx

[zoegunge]

well, DD has summed up what I wanted to say,as have the rest of the forum...

'ordinary' guys can get girlfriends, a guy to get a girl needs to be GENUINE.

I fell for my OH due to his kindness, honesty and that 'special something'. all of which he still has over 3 years later.... no trickery. He isn't the best looking guy ever.... but he makes me feel special, and he makes me laugh....

I have a feeling you view girls as something to be approached with a 'set of rules', the same set of rules fitting each girl, like we are not quite human. Your attitude scares me, you view women as a different entity to yourself.... just treat girls as an equal, no trickery, be YOURSELF... I got with my OH for his true personality- not through trickery

[stonecastle]

Well Zoe and others on here know nothing about the pick up scene. It takes hard work to become good at getting off with women. Very few women will like a warts and all "you as you are" as Zoe puts it. Read this quote for example about Richard La Ruina, he had to change lots of things about himself:

"Gambler before age 21 was a painfully shy introvert with terrible social skills, who got called ugly by girls and had low self-esteem. He stayed awake at night and wondered if he'd ever be able to find a girlfriend. He has spent the past 5 years working on every aspect of his character, including skills with women. People from his youth no longer recognise him and people that meet him can't believe he wasn't always a natural - both socially and with women. Any success or ability that he possesses, he has had to work for. Because he has gone from zero to hero, he knows the steps necessary and this is what makes his teaching so effective." Source

[marcopieguy]

stonecastle do you have any female friends btw?

[dirtydids]

Well Zoe and others on here know nothing about the pick up scene. It takes hard work to become good at getting off with women. Very few women will like a warts and all "you as you are" as Zoe puts it. Read this quote for example about Richard La Ruina, he had to change lots of things about himself:

"Gambler before age 21 was a painfully shy introvert with terrible social skills, who got called ugly by girls and had low self-esteem. He stayed awake at night and wondered if he'd ever be able to find a girlfriend. He has spent the past 5 years working on every aspect of his character, including skills with women. People from his youth no longer recognise him and people that meet him can't believe he wasn't always a natural - both socially and with women. Any success or ability that he possesses, he has had to work for. Because he has gone from zero to hero, he knows the steps necessary and this is what makes his teaching so effective." Source

Jeez!!! Stonecastle dont you ever give up?

Along with virtually every other poster on this thread i have stated my views and suggestion in a poilte and hopefully helpfull way, but it seems to no avail.

To put it bluntly from one fella to another : YOU ARE A PRAT

For Christs sake man no girl in her right senses is going to fall for the drivel you are stating here yet you cannot see it. Heaven forbid nearly every female on the board has even stated her views which i would imagine is a good cross section of all women in the UK.

I make no secret of my age i am 60 years old. I was a firefighter for 20+ years untill forced retirement on medical grounds and now own and run my own Taxi, I also have a passion for wam going back probably more years then you are of age.

I have approached girls to wam and take pics of them notably Chantelle, Mercedes, Nicole and quite a few others.

I didnt need the rubbish you spout to approach these girls, i was just myself, polite and honest and everyone here has seen the proof of the pudding so to speak in their pictures. These girls trust me and we have fun.

If you cannot take the hint that NOBODY here really wants to hear or know about your insane ideas fore picking up/meeting/dating girls then you are in my opinion on the wrong forums, you should try a phychiatric one instead.

For Gods sake cease this drivel its just getting up my arse now as well as loads of others or dont you understand the replies on the thread


(thats my rant going to have a pint now )

[marcopieguy]

well said dirtydids...well said .

[Etonman]

Well Zoe and others on here know nothing about the pick up scene. It takes hard work to become good at getting off with women. Very few women will like a warts and all "you as you are" as Zoe puts it. Read this quote for example about Richard La Ruina, he had to change lots of things about himself:

"Gambler before age 21 was a painfully shy introvert with terrible social skills, who got called ugly by girls and had low self-esteem. He stayed awake at night and wondered if he'd ever be able to find a girlfriend. He has spent the past 5 years working on every aspect of his character, including skills with women. People from his youth no longer recognise him and people that meet him can't believe he wasn't always a natural - both socially and with women. Any success or ability that he possesses, he has had to work for. Because he has gone from zero to hero, he knows the steps necessary and this is what makes his teaching so effective." Source

Your Richard de la what-ever-he-calls-himself guy obviously wrote that himself, to impress the gullible....your clickable "source" link is the pua "training" website, not exactly unbiased!!!!

I, and others here, have genuinely tried to understand your postings and this "pick-up-scene", with similar conclusions...surely such a wide cross-section of real-life men and women , some older, some younger, cannot all be wrong?

And you owe Zoegunge an apology for your downright arrogance and rudeness in your first paragraph above...of any of us, she has tried to be helpful and understanding in her postings. If you think you're being a "high value male", "confident and arrogant, i.e. when he speaks everyone else listens" (your words, not mine), then it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

And that, I promise, really is my last word on this thread.

[splat182002]

Why don't the mods lock this thread now. It's all getting boring...and if he starts another thread just ban him completely.

[Candy Custard]

Why don't the mods lock this thread now. It's all getting boring...and if he starts another thread just ban him completely.

here here!

[wamram]

Why don't the mods lock this thread now. It's all getting boring...and if he starts another thread just ban him completely.

here here!

I second that.

[Richard]

And so say all of us!

[BillShipton]

I agree that this thread is now going nowhere in that certain arguments are going round in circles and some of the views are so ludicrous as to be offensive .

However, if Louis Theroux and his researchers are looking for a new subject the PUA scene has to be a winner (a finders fee would be nice!).