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[Hayley]

Clubs are amongst the hardest places to pick up women. The Mystery Method was designed mostly for club environments. Personally I prefer daygame as the pick up artist community calls it. As womens' guard is usually down during the day and they don't realise that men who chat to them are trying to pick them up.

Sorry, that sort of terminology is scary. It's a total turn-off to a woman, and proof that these people see "picking up" as a way of tricking girls into something rather than it being a mutal fun thing. At the risk of sounding all Dragons Den. "Sorry. I'm out".

[stonecastle]

Sorry, that sort of terminology is scary. It's a total turn-off to a woman, and proof that these people see "picking up" as a way of tricking girls into something rather than it being a mutal fun thing. At the risk of sounding all Dragons Den. "Sorry. I'm out".

How come then that pick up artists like Mystery AKA Erik Von Markovik, Neil Strauss and Adam Lyons have managed to sleep with dozens of women then? I have personally met and recieved one to one training from Adam Lyons who is rated as one of the best pick up artists in the world.

If these techniques did not work then the pick up community would quickly lose its followers and people who had paid to go on courses, buy books and going to seminars would all be demanding their money back.

[zoegunge]

I think the seduction community makes me feel physically sick. It freaks me out, and makes me feel we are viewed as a 'piece of meat'. I would run a mile.

Sure, you describe basic flirting..... everyone can do it, most don't need 'training'.

Maybe these men would still have slept with so many people with out the training. One night stands are not hard to come by, beleive me, with or without training.

Many people sleep with many girls without any training by just flirting and being themselves.

[zoegunge]

As for the 'day game'
Errrrrr.... I have NEVER, EVER given my number to some random in the street or a park during the day... far, far too weird. .. People have tried to get my number in random places, often they get the wrong one.

None of my friends would ever do that either.

I remember laughing at some weird guy doing it to a friend in Boots... I cringed like hell.

I do know a lot of girls and guys who have met partners in clubs, and I have enjoyed chatting to guys in clubs and pubs... I think alcohol helps... and have had a few dates from these guys....

Chatting someone up in the street, makes me cringe!

[Etonman]

Clubs are amongst the hardest places to pick up women. The Mystery Method was designed mostly for club environments. Personally I prefer daygame as the pick up artist community calls it. As womens' guard is usually down during the day and they don't realise that men who chat to them are trying to pick them up.

Sorry, that sort of terminology is scary. It's a total turn-off to a woman, and proof that these people see "picking up" as a way of tricking girls into something rather than it being a mutal fun thing. At the risk of sounding all Dragons Den. "Sorry. I'm out".

I'm with Hayley on this now:

I sympathise with anyone who has problems with social skills, and who makes an honest effort to get over them, but this is getting distinctly creepy...."Mystery Methods", "Daygames", getting a woman's guard down so that they don't see a man's intention (which seems to be solely to get them into bed as quickly as possible so that one more "success" can go on this "community's" scoresheet?)...hmmm, not good, where does it end? I'm beginning to think that's it's a good thing that most women can so easily spot the weirdos and p***-artists.

And, quoting Stonecastle:
"if these techniques did not work then the pick up community would quickly lose its followers and people who had paid to go on courses, buy books and going to seminars would all be demanding their money back"....might that simply be because asking for a refund would be so obviously admitting that person's "failure"?

[stockingman]

[/quote]How come then that pick up artists like Mystery AKA Erik Von Markovik, Neil Strauss and Adam Lyons have managed to sleep with dozens of women then? I have personally met and recieved one to one training from Adam Lyons who is rated as one of the best pick up artists in the world.

If these techniques did not work then the pick up community would quickly lose its followers and people who had paid to go on courses, buy books and going to seminars would all be demanding their money back.[/quote]

Is it any wonder that Adam Lyons can pick up women easily he's probably loaded from taking easy pickings off the like's of you and bearing in mind you have personally received "training" from this fella why dont you answer the Question that has been asked many times........HOW MANY OFF THESE WOMEN HAVE YOU PULLED USING THESE TECHNIQUES?

[zoegunge]

maybe you should also try taking advice from a lady, after all they have had the experience of being chatted up, because from my own perspective I don't think you will be sucessful from the route you are choosing.

[driversoft]

LSS - London Seduction Society, or Lonely, Sad & Scary...

The idea of paying to be personally tutored to exploit women seems truly bizarre - not to say inherently unworkable. Someone, somewhere, is having a laugh out of this - and its not those at the bottom of the pyramid...

Oh - and Stockingman - Stonecastle did detail his number of successful 'pulls' - zero - in an earlier post.

[Etonman]

LSS - London Seduction Society, or Lonely, Sad & Scary...

The idea of paying to be personally tutored to exploit women seems truly bizarre - not to say inherently unworkable. Someone, somewhere, is having a laugh out of this - and its not those at the bottom of the pyramid...

Oh - and Stockingman - Stonecastle did detail his number of successful 'pulls' - zero - in an earlier post.

I'm reminded of the books and seminars with titles like "Become a Millionaire on the Stock Market in a Week by just thinking about it" and "Build a Property Portfolio in a Month without getting out of bed", and dozens more along the same lines.

The operators of such schemes use their knowledge of human behaviour to work up the audience or reader's enthusiasm (just like the preachers of the way-out religious cults) so that they spend more and more on
"extras" - (including, often, expensive personal tuition), in search of a magical answer.

And the more the punters have spent, the less likely they are to admit that they were wrong and cut their losses.

[muckypup]

If these techniques did not work then the pick up community would quickly lose its followers and people who had paid to go on courses, buy books and going to seminars would all be demanding their money back.

I think Stonecastle is just taking the piss, and carrying on to wind everyone up. Either that or he is deluded

You say they would lose their "followers" who paid to go on their course, bought their books etc, but didnt you say you hadnt picked anyone up using these methods? And still you espose the benefits. The brainwashing/cult comments come to mind

[zoegunge]

I don't think he is taking the piss, having looked at the seduction community I am fairly certain of that.

I think there may be deeper issues within socialising, taking things literally and reading other people.

Like I said, Stonecastle.. I think you are a nice guy, but maybe should stop viewing every female (or is it HB???) as a potential conquest. You may meet people on more neutral ground- at evening classes, or groups.

[Richard]

You can not be serious! (acknowlegements to J McEnroe) "Mystery AKA Erik Von Markovik" "Richard La Ruina" Which is the pseudonym? Or, more likely, which is the PSEUD! Ask yourself, would you buy an ice-lolly from someone called that??? never mind a course of instructions for picking up women? ROFL !!!!!!

This thread just gets better and better. I think that stonecastle should be given membership of this forum at a reduced rate for the entertainment value (Yes, I know its free but it seems like he will pay money for any old rubbish)!

[stonecastle]

I think Stonecastle is just taking the piss, and carrying on to wind everyone up. Either that or he is deluded

No I can't understand how nearly all the posters on here do not think that pick up techniques work. I know they work because I have met top pick up artists who live in London. I have seen them in action interacting with women on the street and in bars.

By the way the pick up movement started way back in 1965 with a film called; "The Knack and how to get it". It was the first ever publication, at this time in the form of a fictional film on how to pick up women.

Next came Eric Webers book; "How to pick up girls" in 1970. A book for which he did a couple of years research for.

More how to books followed in the 1980s and early 1990s. Then the internet took off and a pick up forum called alt.seduction.fast was founded. This spawned other pick up forums and led to a global community of pick up artists.
This book is a great introduction to the pick up scene. If you don't want to buy it flip through and read bits of it in the shop. The author Richard La Ruina runs a pick up training company in London called puatraining which has taught around 700 guys so far advanced pick up techniques.

[chelsea05]

Stonecastle, I don't think that anyone is doubting that sometimes these 'techniques' might be successfully employed by the messiahs you appear to worship but most of the posters here are saying that there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to flirting, dating and relationships.

What you're championing appears quite predatory and disturbing. To be fair, I don't know much about it (nor an I keen to learn) but men and women have been flirting for centuries before Erik Von Trapp or whatever he's called and his 'community' started preying on unsuspecting people. (Both their conquests AND the people that worship them)

Counting how many women you've bedded is fine when you're 18 or 19 but at the end of the day it's not really fulfilling and it really doesn't compare to the feeling when you find someone to share a life with.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but I really can't see you changing the common sense points of view shared by so many on this board.

[wamram]

Counting how many women you've bedded is fine when you're 18 or 19 but at the end of the day it's not really fulfilling and it really doesn't compare to the feeling when you find someone to share a life with.

So true.

It's all right when your younger going out picking up a girl for a one night stand, but you can't beat having someone there for you when you need them. To tell you that it's going to be OK or that they love you, with a reassuring hug or a kiss. Or what I like best about having someone special, just to hold them close on a cold night and I'm a million miles away from all the problems we've got