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[Etonman]

Some hilarious comments in this thread, but also some sensible thoughts and "advice".

All relationships are difficult if you have a bad impression of yourself, so I'm not unsympathetic (I was bullied at school (not really Eton!) for being "ugly" to the extent that I once played truant rather than face up to it), but I'm really not sure that these wonderful systems and rules are the answer for a rewarding relationship rather than making a quick score (which is probably all you'd get from the kind of woman who'd fall for them).

Remember that expectations have to be realistic too...as Dolly says, looks may be important to the shallow. But, check around, 99% of people are really quite plain, and there aren't enough Girls Aloud or Brad Pitt look-alikes to go round. Just take time to appreciate what the rest are really like as people, and you'll get all the fun and social life you can handle.

I remember seeing a recent TV interview with a particularly delicious young actress...the interviewer complimented her on looking good...she replied "this isn't the real me, it's six hours work by the make-up, hairdressing and wardrobe departments...."

[BillShipton]

p.s. my sister recently said "dont you wish bill bailey was a hot guy?" my reply was that he is...yes he may look like "an egg with a shower curtain coming down the back" but i'd well have him!

My guess is that if Bill Bailey was a 'hot guy', he wouldn't have developed the same sense of humour and musical skills, and probably would have been an arrogant nob. We all compensate for our failings in some way. Not that I'm biased at all, oh no.

[stonecastle]

The system of "being yourself" works....simple, costs nothing, and doesn't need any acting or training. I'm an ordinary guy ( certainly no "oil-painting") but, like Bill and others here, have lots of great women friends.

No it doesn't and when people say "just be yourself" that advice is so vague as to be totally useless.

Stonecastle is "an expert on pick up arts though and can explain pick up in great detail" but says "No I haven't picked up any women yet".

Because I lack good looks that is why!!!!!! I have much below average looks and that is why I fail to gain interest from women. My other friends who are pick up experts get laid loads of times.

[Etonman]

The system of "being yourself" works....simple, costs nothing, and doesn't need any acting or training. I'm an ordinary guy ( certainly no "oil-painting") but, like Bill and others here, have lots of great women friends.

No it doesn't and when people say "just be yourself" that advice is so vague as to be totally useless.]

Stonecastle is "an expert on pick up arts though and can explain pick up in great detail" but says "No I haven't picked up any women yet".

Because I lack good looks that is why!!!!!! I have much below average looks and that is why I fail to gain interest from women. My other friends who are pick up experts get laid loads of times.

Replying to your first quote above, I can only reiterate that "It DOES work", otherwise how can I and no doubt others here, plain blokes, not wealthy, with ordinary boring jobs, have great women friends? Perhaps 'cos we don't try to be something which we're not...other than short-term that doesn't work, because you just can't keep up the pretence for ever.

And your second quote:-
Are you sure that "lacking good looks" is the explanation? If you read my later post above (8.31 a.m.), I said that I was bullied at school
for being "ugly" to the extent that I played truant rather than face up to it.

To give another example, a friend of mine is bald, has a nasty birthmark covering his whole forehead, with a big bony lump over his ear, yet is married to a georgeous girl and runs a successful business where he deals face-to-face with the public every day. How does he do it...simply that people accept him as a genuine and straight-forward guy, and most never even notice anything "wrong"!

Your statement that "your other friends....get laid loads of times" is interesting. Are you sure that some of this isn't just boasting or winding-up? Or, if what they say is true, are notches on the bedpost really the only measure of success in life?

[wamram]

I've got a face like a Bull Dog licking piss of a nettle , But when I was younger I never went home without female company on a Saturday night All you have to do is be yourself and if you can make her laugh your halfway there ..........................................









...........And if that fails theres always a bottle of Vodka and a funnel

(Don't worry girls I'd never do anything like that I'm not a complete tosser)

[stonecastle]

Of course there are useful ways in which to "pick up" women, but it all depends what you are looking for. Do you really want a woman who would fall for all that shit?

These techniques work though! The aim of these techniques is to allow you to build rapport quickly with a complete stranger without them blowing you out ie telling you to get lost. I mean say you spot an attractive stranger at a bus stop and decide to approach them with a view to a date. In most cases you would be told to get lost. But by using field tested techniques that others have perfected you can start a conversation, build up rapport and maybe not in all cases but at least in some get either an instant date or their contact details.

These seduction techniques are designed to over come the barriers women put up to deflect come ons by men. http://www.thelss.com the guys on that forum I post on regularly post details of their successes. They regularly bed women who are complete strangers within hours or a couple of days of meeting them sometimes on the street.

[captain sensible]

They regularly bed women who are complete strangers within hours or a couple of days of meeting them sometimes on the street.

And do said pick-up maestros subsequently form long, mutually satisfying relationships with these women? Do they discover the profound, life-changing joys of discovering a soulmate who loves them purely for themselves rather than for some short-lived projection of a supposed ideal which they can't sustain?

I ask purely out of curiosity, because in my experience if you're hoping to find someone to get messy with (and I seem to remember that's where all this started), chances are it's more likely to happen when the woman in question realises that isn't all you're interested in. If you already have a laugh together (with each other rather than at each other, for preference), it's not such a huge issue when you splat a huge dollop of her body butter between her breasts and show her how good squidgy feels, or accidentally-on-purpose overshoot with the roller while you're painting the spare bedroom, or pull her into she shower with you before she's had a chance to undress, or any other scenario which is much more likely to happen when you're in an established relationship...

For me, online dating (with an honest and friendly rather than desperate profile) worked rather better than Stonecastle's 'thelss.com' thing seems to...

[Etonman]

Of course there are useful ways in which to "pick up" women, but it all depends what you are looking for. Do you really want a woman who would fall for all that shit?

These techniques work though! The aim of these techniques is to allow you to build rapport quickly with a complete stranger without them blowing you out ie telling you to get lost. I mean say you spot an attractive stranger at a bus stop and decide to approach them with a view to a date. In most cases you would be told to get lost. But by using field tested techniques that others have perfected you can start a conversation, build up rapport and maybe not in all cases but at least in some get either an instant date or their contact details.

These seduction techniques are designed to over come the barriers women put up to deflect come ons by men. http://www.thelss.com the guys on that forum I post on regularly post details of their successes. They regularly bed women who are complete strangers within hours or a couple of days of meeting them sometimes on the street.

I admire your enthusiasm for these "field tested techniques".
Can I ask:-
1) How many dates have you, personally, obtained through use of these systems.
2) Do you really believe everything which you read on internet forums?
(I respectfully suggest that, in my experience, it is about as reliable as much of what you are told in your local pub?)
I only ask out of interest, and will stand corrected if you can give me factual and confirmed evidence of these techniques "success".

[zoegunge]

Stonecastle

As a female who has been chatted up with varying degrees of success, I would say you are trying too hard. If you are constantly remembering which step you should be on.. you will come across wooden and awkward.

I have been chatted up at places like bus stops, as many girls have, and would never go with a random from a street.

The 'ten interesting facts' is a load of crap. Let conversation flow freely, if you have stuff in common it will be fine... remember you do not know what 'interesting facts' she will find interesting.

What works for me:
1. Make me laugh.
2. Act like a gentleman.
3. eye contact
4. Listen

Pulling is NOT an exact science, it is different with every situation and with every person. I think you are studying it in too much depth.

Also, shagging a random woman can be quite easy if you find te right woman... but it depends if you want a relationship or a shag,

Also, sometimes you can't force the chemistry by using these techniques.

[zoegunge]

2)Never approach the target head on always approach at an angle and leave a gap so as not to invade their space. And hold and maintain eye contact during the approach and interaction. Also aproach within three seconds of seeing her so it doesn't looking like you are staking her out.
ERRR. 3 sec, I would thin he was a little weird. Pounce too quick= weirdo. Would prefer if he gave a little eye contact prior to charging on over... esp if I was already with my mates.
Eye contact... don't over do it...!!!!!


3)If there are two or more girls open her friends first. Once you have befriended her friends its much easier to befriend her.

She may think you start on her friends because you're interested in them, and she is 2nd prize, or you're just trying your luck with them all


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5)When in conversation with a woman don't lean in, gesture with your arms and touch her lightly on the arm or back at key emotional points in the conversation such as when you mention something dramatic ie "and it was awsome" gentle touch.
Depends on seating arrangements, don;t overdo it... and she may think you're being sleezy. don;t make it look obvious, act unnatural and she will be off after the 1st touch


7)Break rapport during the interaction ie disagree with her on one or two points to not make it look like you are sucking up to her just to get off with her. Also don't compliment her on her looks. Ask her to tell you something she has achieved then compliment her on that. ie get her to qualify herself to you.

No way, I like to be told I look nice! and do you mean you should say 'what have you acheived?' because that would be odd! As for breaking rapport... umm.. don't look for opportunities to do it just do it, it won't be that impressive... I would allow things to flow naturally, she may get a bit huffy if you start arguing in the first five minutes of conversation.

8)Look for indicators of interest from her such as whether see holds eye contact with you for long periods whether she squeezes your hand when you offer to shake hers.
Maybe, but often I don't shake hands with someone I meet in a club!



Walk after her then walk slightly infront turn and say something like; "Excuse me, I know this seems a bit random but I was just on my way somewhere to meet some friends when I spotted you back there and thought you were so nice and cute that I just had to come and speak to you or else I would be kicking myself all day." This has a very low success rate but is better than ignoring a really hot girl. If she is doing something like window shopping a situational pre-opener can be used first before going direct which increases the chances of success slightly.

Ugh, nooooooo
sorry if this sounds harsh, but is my honest opinion

[ClownJulie]

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[zoegunge]

lol, Stonecastle, you sound very sweet but I don't think reading all these tips will be very useful.

all girls are different

[Etonman]

They regularly bed women who are complete strangers within hours or a couple of days of meeting them sometimes on the street.

And do said pick-up maestros subsequently form long, mutually satisfying relationships with these women? Do they discover the profound, life-changing joys of discovering a soulmate who loves them purely for themselves rather than for some short-lived projection of a supposed ideal which they can't sustain?

I ask purely out of curiosity, because in my experience if you're hoping to find someone to get messy with (and I seem to remember that's where all this started), chances are it's more likely to happen when the woman in question realises that isn't all you're interested in. If you already have a laugh together (with each other rather than at each other, for preference), it's not such a huge issue when you splat a huge dollop of her body butter between her breasts and show her how good squidgy feels, or accidentally-on-purpose overshoot with the roller while you're painting the spare bedroom, or pull her into she shower with you before she's had a chance to undress, or any other scenario which is much more likely to happen when you're in an established relationship...

For me, online dating (with an honest and friendly rather than desperate profile) worked rather better than Stonecastle's 'thelss.com' thing seems to...

Captain S - one of the most "sensible" (sorry!) posts so far, and thanks for getting us back on topic.

I agree with all you say...my own times of worrying about how many girls I'd bedded finished with the end of my student days (as did bragging about that number...as my mates from that time also now admit, we all exagerated the numbers by a factor of about 10 anyway) .

More recently, and being temporarily in a job environment away from my home town, and in which there was little female contact, I too tried the route of online dating, with an honest profile and approach, and with (to me) surprising success...several delightful fun girls, (two of whom still occasionally email me, as a friends. with news of their events), and in due course a wonderful longterm partner and soulmate, now of over four years.
She knows of my interest in wam and these pages...thinks its entirely harmless and fun, and, like Captain S's scenarios, the occasional small mishap with the garden hose, the paintbrush or the kitchen baking mix usually ends up with helpless laughter and an early night.
I know she would go a lot further if I insisted (we'd do much anything to please each other...sorry, bit corny!), but I don't because I understand her well enough that she wouldn't enjoy getting really messy. Thing is, in the whole relationship, my own interest in wam is only a fun thing, not an obsession, so it's no big deal.

I'm sure Stonecastle is a genuine guy, but I'm still unconvinced that "systems" and "rules" are the answer..."women" are neither a strange separate species nor robots who only respond to a particular program, and, as zoegunge says, all people and situations are different.

[andy250]

Stonecastle would appear to be over anxious, your appear to be trying to put everything that you have read into play. Try studying people not paper...

Everything Zoe has said, could well be put into the first comment. When you attend the London meet, you seemed uncomfortable, its probably due to the fact you where trying to do all these things at once. Like having a set comment for every question you ask.

Hello, you are???

Andy250, from Manchester.

Did you know their where some great club venues in the 60's

I think???? what that got to do with anything relating to why I am hear????

If you had asked me, do you do any sploshing in Manchester, you would have got a completly diffrent answer, as you would have been talking to me about something we could both relate to. That would have broken the ice a lot easier.

As we both would have something to in common, ie its a splosh meet and where we are both from.

Hope that help, though keep trying I wont put anybody down for trying to learn new skills.

regards

Andy

[easy_as_]

Now, slate me if you will and I know that some may, you all know who you are ( hehehe ), . . . . . . but I find wearing a fairly outrageous loud orange shirt and a decent line in bad jokes works wonders for me . . .

. . . . . it must be the way I tell 'em !


By the way, did I mention the latest girl I pulled went to the West Indies recently ?

Before you ask, no, she went of her own accord.



:roll::roll::roll:

easy_as_


( If anyone would like a selection of these old - though tried and tested jokes - for their own personal use either contact me by memo and I can sort out a bundle deal for a reasonable price with technique on delivery, no pun intended, or alternatively you can trawl through my posts and pick them out for yourself . . . . . )