sorry that this is an old topic

[piemeplease]

I've just visited another website with an extensive forum on it and I'm really quite upset.

I spotted a thread called "Men in pie scenes: what's the concensus?"

I figured it would be an interesting read. The whole thing made me feel abnormal because it is apparently a complete turn-off for everyone if men appear and get messed up.

Is this really the common view or is it just that particular group of people? I came away feeling a bit upset about it and so I came to my favorite forum to share.

Personally I think everyone has a different view on what is good or bad in a scene and I'm a little alarmed now to think I may be in the minority in thinking that. Or indeed that my viewpoint is somehow wrong.

I'm sorry if this is an old subject but i really felt the need to post.

(God knows what they'd make of my dream to appear but dressed up)

[dougiezerts]

I'm not gay, so I don't care to see guys covered in pies, or other substances, OK? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I'm just saying it doesn't turn me on.
May I make a suggestion? Why not start a seperate sub-forum for male sploshing?

[piemeplease]

But why?

I'm not gay either and even if I was it wouldn't matter.

Why do some people seem to think that there is WAM and then there is male WAM?

I've even seen some posts say "WARNING MALE WAM" like its something bad?

To me wam is wam no matter who it involves. I think it would be a sad day if there was a separate forum for male wam. Fortunately I think I know the people that look after Splosh well enough to know they're not likely to do that.

I like to see men involved because I like to sort of transfer myself into their shoes. I want to be that guy in that picture or video. Because cross-dressing is another enjoyment of mine I'd especially love to see cross-dressed guys getting messed by women. The reason? It's because I want to be that person.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that takes that approach and I expect there is a market for it too.

Regardless of how much some people think men shouldn't be involved, I hope that some day I'll appear on a website like this one having been thoroughly messed up by a nice lady. If that's wrong, so be it.

[DecadentDoll]

well said pmp.

dougie, fair point, but im with piemeplease, and with other reasons also.
this forum isnt just for men to look at. yeah sure, the fanbase may have a higher amount of men than women (or it may not, but men are more inclined to search the net for stimulation perhaps?)

i happen to be turned on by men and women, and what i love about this forum is that we do enourage men, women and "wamdrogynous" to post and share..... i like to see men involved, either as the stooge of the piece or a hot partner of a messy woman.

i also like the everyday ordinary people doing it in their kitchen. thats where i started, and where i continually go back to, even after doing magazine and pay stuff...

i like this fetish because of its lack of too many regulations.

its rebellious

so guys, girls and that sexpot miss helen etc etc

keep sharing.

ps. excuse the bad grammar etc etc, im a bit worse for wear and it is the wee small hours!

Dolly-kins

[BillShipton]

We will definitely not be having separate forums for men, CDs or anyone else. The point of the forum (in my view) is to reflect a whole range of different viewpoints and activities connected with sploshing (or WAM, if you must) as practised by those that practise it regardless of sex.

Whilst the commercial side of the site (DVDs, tapes etc) feature almost exclusively women with only cameo appearances by shambolic men, they are intended purely as entertainment both humourous and sexual. The forum is not just here to be a turn-on. It is here to reflect sploshing as it is done by real people as well as paid performers.

Nor do we ask you to put WARNING; MALE WAM on male posts. There is normally enough clue in the title for those who don't want to see it to avoid that post without the poster having to go any further.

We all have our personal tastes - be it gender, clothing, substances, behaviour etc - but OUR forum is meant to be inclusive and reflect all of them rather than defining what WAM is and alienating the rest.

Bill

[TottyMcGee]

That's the great thing about having both this forum and the 'other' forum (or UMD, as I believe it is called) - each explore different angles and fulfil different needs. UMD remains the main 'watching' forum for guys to go to find kinky pictures of girls, with everything neatly described in topic headers for convenience, particularly if a post should contain the dreaded 'male wam'. Rampant misogyny is an unfortunate bi-product (which makes it amusing when the misogynists conclude that there aren't any real WAM women in the scene because the ladies won’t talk to them no matter how many times they pm with “A/S/L”), but that's simply a matter of male hormones, which (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) are inevitably at the root of a forum for trading girlie pics. And in fairness, the UMD mods do make an effort to keep things in check - as I recall the poster who proposed that there need be a consensus on such a matter was given short shrift and Liberator (himself a prolific 'male WAM' poster) has done his best to keep the male WAM labels from being too negative.

The Splosh! board has arisen to fill the other need - if UMD is the board for watchers, Splosh! is for do-ers. What the anti-male-wam brigade don't get is that it's not about what your sexuality is - it's about having fun. Active sploshers (certainly the ones I know) play with everyone, it's about letting go and having fun. There's a sexiness to it, but it's not sex and you can play with people you wouldn't want to sleep with. Though there's no reason why things can't develop in a more intimate direction, that's neither an expectation nor a prerequisite. Imagine going to a nightclub and demanding that there is a separate dancefloor for men somewhere out of the way because you only want to see women dance - you'd kicked out, laughed at or both. We get it, hetero-boy, you're super-straight, now lighten up or piss off.

Despite my occasional flippancy, I do not consider UMD the enemy – UMD has been a focal point of the scene for a long time and it’s arguable that the scene now wouldn’t be nearly as large as it is now without it.

[captain sensible]

This is an interesting thread because it reflects the way different people approach WAMming - is it about sex, or is it about mucking about and having a good time? Or both?

My personal experiences of getting wet and messy spring from both points of view - it's a laugh and it turns me on at the same time, which is a very powerful combination. My favourite WAM pictures and stories show people enjoying their experiences - whether alone or in couples or groups, male or female or any combination thereof. But it's the element of fun which is they key - the people in the pictures should be having FUN. The pictures in these collections: http://www.kurtyslo.com/foto/rock-otocec are a good example of what I mean, as is Wamdrogony (thank you, Miss Helen). While I prefer to see girls getting messy, I'm perfectly happy to glimpse an erection poking out of a pile of goo so long as the man it belongs to is enjoying himself...

[piemeplease]

Thanks for the responses guys. You've re-enforced my belief that Splosh is the best, friendliest and most fun site on the net. Also the people here enjoy themselves the most.

[Richard]

Captain Sensible,

I've had the Rock Otǒcec site bookmarked for ages ,The Croatians are a wonderfully laid back people with a great sense of gender equality and fun, as exemplified by the igre v blatu albums.

[Richard]

Is there perhaps a USA versus UK split regarding male WAM? Here in Britain we seem far more accepting of the male body used in sploshing pictures whereas American men appear to regard it as a slight on their masculinity to enjoy such material.

I don't think that means all British men are homosexual any more than it means all Americans are overtly macho 'Rambo' types. There is room for all shades of opinion here without any recriminations.

[andy250]

I certainly enjoy doing what I refer to as cross over shoots, where you may have male and female's together in whatever daft pun we choose to do on the day.

I have no plans to change what I do, I enjoy it too much. As I hope you see from the vids they are very funny and we have a blast on the day.

regards

Andy

[Phantom]

Like Dougiezerts, I'm not at all into seeing men getting messy ... or naked and messy.

But I do like the way the splosh forum has it all together in one place.

If I click on a link that interests me, only to find it's some guy in his pants getting himself messy, it doesn't bother me. I just hit the back button and read a different thread. It doesn't ruin my day.

One of the strengths of this forum is the fact that women, men and CDs post all their stuff together. It means that there's something for everyone to enjoy.

I think it's a good idea to mark off topic posts as off topic (We've seen from the UMD that a separate off topic forum doesn't get a lot of traffic), but I don't think there's any need to have 'warning:male wam' on a post.

Viva la difference!

Phantom

[DecadentDoll]

If I click on a link that interests me, only to find it's some guy in his pants getting himself messy, it doesn't bother me. I just hit the back button and read a different thread. It doesn't ruin my day.

very well said and an attitude more should observe perhaps!

[dougiezerts]

I'm sorry about the negative attitude of my last post. And I'd like to change my stance a little bit.
I do enjoy seeing fantasies where guys and girls are sploshing in the same photo. It's sexy, and it's also romantic, in the case of a couple doing it together.
But guys alone? Just doesn't interest me. And that doesn't mean I'm anti-gay! If some of you want to say I'm homophobic, then so be it.
And I have a question for the ladies in the forum: Do you like to see guys sploshing?

[Hayley]

Do I like to see men sploshing? Depends on the man and the circumstances, but I definitely think that they should be on the forum, mixed in as Phantom says.

I certainly enjoy seeing couples and women getting messy - especially real enthusiasts as opposed to the professionals though they too add a lot of ideas and fun.

This isn't very helpful is it, cos basically I like everything!

Hayley

PS Can I dare to disagree with Miss Helen? I don't think of this as a do-ers forum as opposed to a viewers forum. Many people due to their circumstances or simple shyness cannot take part in messy activities and they are just as welcome here. We encourage fantasies, stories, wishes (like what you'd like to do to me - hint, hint) as well as people actually getting the custard out. So, nobody should feel left out.