Anarchy.

[Madrox]

You know one aspect of Splosh/Wam/messy fun call it what you will ! That i really,really love but sadly rarely see is the pure anarchic free for all, the sort of degenerative mass slosh fights that Tiswas skits often fall into. A good example is the Sheena Easton clip that floats around the net from time to time. Personally i think there`s too much obvisous Wam out there & the Amercians are classic for this you know the sceene we have all seen it Pies carefully & statigacly placed in faces buckets of cake batter slowly & delibretly poured over heads tits & asses. Now please dont get me wrong i`m not complaining about that i`m a very keen splosher & i do spend money on the sites that do this sort of stuff, i just wish there was more multi girl (Yes i know but i`m a traditionilst kinda guy & believe that the ladies make much better pie targets that the boys) free for all & while i`m on a fantasy rant i`m gonna add this..........multi girl free for all`s with MUCHO mess because i`m one of these who believes it`s not Splosh unless it`s total coverage.
So am i alone in this is there anyone else who likes to see multi girl pie & gunge fights with no script ? Pure anarchic mess done for no other reason than for the sake of Splosh ?

[matt2matt2002]

Hi ya Madrox
I quite repect your views but for me it's the 'story' and stages of getting messy that 'does' it for me.

Total mess of course. None of that American Polite Pie stuff!

Julie the clown does it so well.

But - that's just my view. What I love about WAM / Sploshing is the broad fields it covers (no pun intended!)

[Phantom]

Hi Madrox

Good post!

I also love mayhem and mess... but not from the outset. I like there to be some kind of scenario/game/set up ... as there usually was at the beginning of the TISWAS scenes.

Then, when it becomes clear to everyone involved that they AREN'T going to escape their messy fate, I like to see the leisurely paced build up break down into chaos.

I also like it if the women involved start of fully clothed (and dressed up properly, in sexy clothes - not vest and shorts or a bikini) and get really messy before starting to lose the clothes ... eventually ending up in their underwear or naked.

You're right - a lot of WAM we see nowadays is guilty of doing quite the opposite. Awful acting and really dreadful 'surprised facial expression' before each carefully aimed/placed pie. I much prefer shrieks of surprise, genuine laughter and a feeling of 'what the hell is going to happen next?'

Sadly, WAM is like music and movies - for every gem you find, there's a ton of dross not worth bothering with. BUT .. the gems ARE there!!

Phantom


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[Hayley]

Hi

Interesting. Whilst I like the set up, storyline and roleplay element, I sometimes think that certainly in the US stuff the sheer spontaneity and fun has gone out of it. I am not saying that everything Splosh has done has been brilliant and everyone else is rubbish cos a lot of Splosh stuff is very choreographed, but for me personally I love it when things start sensibly then take a life of their own and I wind up wrecked. That's why pissed pie fights are such fun! They start off structured and end up in total mayhem.

Slightly more controversially...I also like it when it gets a bit rough and clumsy. No, I am not advocating domestic violence. But I do get turned on when it is all rather rough and ready. I know this is a bit un-PC and I'm sure UMD wouldn't even allow me to say it but you should come out of a Splosh/WAM session feeling completely fucked in every sense.

Would be interested to know how many people feel the same or whether it is just me who doesn't like gentle sploshing!

Hayley

[BillShipton]

Thanks for the post, Madrox, it is a very good point. Sadly it means I get to be boring for a bit but bear with me.

In real life (ie not making videos) there is nothing more fun than a Splosh! scenario that starts off with a basic idea and gets completely out of hand. Pies and buckets of muck flying, lots of laughter, gasping etc. Hayley loves them (and laughs throughout making any storyline impossible anyway) and if they get a bit 'rough' as she puts it (ie the pies slapped a bit hard, the two of us slipping and falling in the mess etc) then she likes it all the more. But we also both enjoy the tease of the "You wouldn't do that to me..." type dialogue to kick it off. So as she said it works for us best personally started with a structure (no script but deliberately hamming it up) and then descending into very sexy chaos.

With two people it would be just about possible to film this sort of scene. However with multi-girl anarchy as practised by WSM and to some extent by Aquantics unless you have three cameras (like Tiswas did), I find the 'chaotic' style a bit unsatisfactory to film. It is very hard to capture everything that is going on when five girls are all armed and doing things to one another (especially with one camera) and personally as a viewer I find it hard to concentrate with so many things happening on screen simultaneously. There'll one girl getting pied in one corner, another having her knickers filled in another and a bit of me wants to see one in close up but then I know the other bit will disappear altogethet. Then there's the bit the cameraman misses completely cos he just didn't know it was going to happen.....frustrating to film and frustrating to watch. That's why I have backed away from multi-girl scenes. With a one camera technique and anarchy too much gets missed. Hoever it would be interesting to set up a scene like the old WSM ones and have four people shoot it then edit it all together though. Perhaps we should give that a try.

Because of what I just said, I tend to settle for filming more choreographed stuff - it also means you can put more classic slapstick gags in, more verbal ones, capture expressions easily and so on. What I aim to do is tread a fine line between choreographed and contrived. In my opinion what is wrong with a lot of the American stuff is that they use girls who are undoubtedly very pretty (no names here) but not necessarily good slapstick performers. So, yes, you get to see a bucket of Nacho cheese going over some perfect bare boobs but you don't get the comedy acting skills that slapstick needs to put it over. The result is therefore stilted and looks even more contrived than it is.

Now we like to only use people who are good performers - usually cos they love what they are doing! Gilly, Sammy-Jane etc may not be 18 any more but they inject their character into a sketch and do a lot to alleviate the stiltedness of a choreographed scene. In fact at the Silly House, unlike the old days, we busk our way through most of the sketches. Either Gilly or I will come up with a basic idea, something to kick it off, and then mix set up gags with spontaneous ones and let it roll. Mix that with Gilly's OTT style and you get a reasonable compromise between anarchy and structured jokes. And sometimes you get something genuinely funny and spontaneous - Sammy getting Gilly out of the muck tub in the UnStable Girl is hilarious , in my opinion.

I am delighted to say that we are slowly finding new models like Dolly and Clare who also like what they do and therefore make great slapstick performers. Personally I'd much rather work with them than a bunch of 18-year-old lap dancers with size 8 bodies who are doing it for the dosh. However much 'anarchy' you create with people like that they still look stilted - albeit it with perfect tits and pert bottoms.

But I take on board your views, Madrox. There is a danger that with so many people turning out so much stuff that it becomes routine to film and to watch. Slapstick should never be that! It needs a bit of anarchy and a lot of irreverence. We should never forget that.

PS Sorry to go on so long. See what happens when I have to get up early on a Saturday for the postman!

[matt2matt2002]

Right on Bill

I can't think of much to add to that
apart from thanks and admiration to your team

[welshcakes]

Right on, Madrox. WAM is so much more fun when it gets out of hand - although I totally take on board when Bill says that it's a bugger to film.
I used to love those old pie fights on Tiswas too when it would end up a complete free for all.