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Hi

If you want to see the pictures of DD, Natalie and Denise cavorting in the Bizarre shoot at our studio (staged at no cost to the magazine but in return for the use of the photos) then you'll have to hurry.

It seems that Natalie (the dark haired one) has got the hump because her model release "only covers an appearance in Bizarre magazine, not on the Splosh! website" and the use of the pictures is "unauthorised". Well, it isn't actually cos as the photo editor concurs we had a non-written agreement with the mag that we could use the pics (they even sent them to us) and since Natalie volunteered to do the job, it seems a bit naff complaining now.

However, we don't want to cause the volunteer-turned-vamp to have another diva strop so they will be coming off the Free House tonight.

Anyone thinking of doing a magazine article in return for free pictures for their own website should be warned. Their paperwork won't cover you if one of the models (even one that volunteered for the job) complains, so best to hold out for some cash rather than photos that they demand you withdraw at a later stage.

Bill

What if someone was to accidently put up on here. Surely she can't considering the articles are in the public domain??

Disclamer form!!!

Should have used it!!! after the problems at Sammi's with a certain female model, I use them for everything even free shoots.

Though that said, the girls at the Wrestling Factory, dont use em, as they have no need! as they know excatly what they are getting into, plus their is the small matter of them actually beating you up!! I should know..

regards

Andy

Hi

When somebody volunteers to do something and then complains three years later I think she has a nerve, regardless of the paperwork. Sounds to be like she's got got seriously up herself.

Hayley

Hi Hayley,

I guess im the certain female model that was mentioned and Andy you have a PM.

I agree with you Hayley, why moan about it 3 years later! I was on the Bizzare website along with Pheonix and I show the video whenever I get the chance lol, I loved it!

D x

Dynamo_1 wrote:I agree with you Hayley, why moan about it 3 years later! I was on the Bizzare website along with Pheonix and I show the video whenever I get the chance lol, I loved it!

Yes, I have to point out we have no issue with Bizarre (perhaps I'll change Bill's title) who, although they also asked us to remove the pics, have been okay about it. It is Natalie who I think is being a moany little strumpet.

Nice to hear from you, Pheonix, and I hope any issues you may have had are sorting themselves out.

Hayley wrote:

Dynamo_1 wrote:I agree with you Hayley, why moan about it 3 years later! I was on the Bizzare website along with Pheonix and I show the video whenever I get the chance lol, I loved it!

Yes, I have to point out we have no issue with Bizarre (perhaps I'll change Bill's title) who, although they also asked us to remove the pics, have been okay about it. It is Natalie who I think is being a moany little strumpet.

Nice to hear from you, Pheonix, and I hope any issues you may have had are sorting themselves out.

sorry Hayley and bill but i am sitting here nearly pissing myself laughing over this.

I presume from this photshoot her pictures went also into the Bizarre Magazine article which is available Nationally and no doubt abroad as well so i would imagine she has been well viewed in the public domain.

Also surely she realises that once a picture is posted on the internet it is open for anybody to view or download and save or pass on.

I would imagine her pic is on several thousand maybe more computer hardrives by now and probably she if she bothered to look quite a few yahoo groups or such. I have her pics on my own hard drive (Must behave)

I just cannot believe she can be so dumb or naive to realise this and by just taking them down from your site will finish the matter, For christs sake the silly cow is on the internet for good now wether she likes it or not

I agree with Hayley entirely moanin little strumpet probably having a bad dose of pmt think she may need another bucket of gunge and a few more pies

dids

Thanks Hayley, but this is Dynamo lol.

D x

dirtydids wrote:sorry Hayley and bill but i am sitting here nearly pissing myself laughing over this.

I presume from this photshoot her pictures went also into the Bizarre Magazine article which is available Nationally and no doubt abroad as well so i would imagine she has been well viewed in the public domain.

Also surely she realises that once a picture is posted on the internet it is open for anybody to view or download and save or pass on.

I would imagine her pic is on several thousand maybe more computer hardrives by now and probably she if she bothered to look quite a few yahoo groups or such. I have her pics on my own hard drive (Must behave)

I just cannot believe she can be so dumb or naive to realise this and by just taking them down from your site will finish the matter, For christs sake the silly cow is on the internet for good now wether she likes it or not

I agree with Hayley entirely moanin little strumpet probably having a bad dose of pmt think she may need another bucket of gunge and a few more pies

dids

Since the pictures have been up for a couple of years, not to mention a video (which we shot for them - also for free!!) on the Bizarre site, the terms stable, horse, door, bolted come to mind. But she has obviously decided she is famous now and doesn't want to be reminded of an afternoon been covered in custard in a grubby shed in St Leonards.

I wish organisations wouldn't bring their own models along - they are always a nightmare. Jo Bache and I had a hideous afternoon with a Hastings beauty queen brought along by Men & Motors who refused to get her hair, face, clothes or skin messy. She had an exclusion zone bigger than the Falklands in 1982. I found the video I shot of that yesterday. You can hear me saying, at the end, "Well, that was different..."

Anyway, bored with the whole Bizarre thing now, so won't go on about it any more.

Wow, i wasn't expecting that! Don't know what to think, thought she would have known what was going to happen with the pics when she did it. Strange.
xxx

DecadentDoll wrote:Wow, i wasn't expecting that! Don't know what to think, thought she would have known what was going to happen with the pics when she did it. Strange.
xxx

Isn't that precisely the point? She thought she did understand what the pictures were for, as she presumably had a written contract with Bizarre stating they were for the publication (and if not their site, then they slipped up contractually!). Bill himself has said that he only had a verbal agreement to use them, which presumably brings the Splosh site use into a grey area.

There does seem SOME merit in her complaint, and the argument that once you agree to put something on any particular site means you use legal control over its use anywhere else on the web seems not only legally spurious, but presented in that way would actively discourage female models, surely?

Oh - and I notice its the guys who are being very disparaging here - somewhat unusual for our forum, I'd have thought.

Hmmmm....guess it just shows that you have to get the legal paper-work spot-on when photographing a model for any type of pics.
Copyright can get horribly complicated...you only have to see the intricate agreements for anything like a feature film, like who owns the rights for each spin-off in each area, etc., etc.
Until PC's and the internet, it was quite complicated to copy or "publish" photos, and copyright was relatively easy to enforce. But, now, once any pic is on the web, it's impossible to prevent it being round-the-world in minutes. (I read recently in a computer mag a warning to remember that anything which you put anywhere on the web must be regarded as being there for ever....i.e. don't put anything which you wouldn't want your future kids or grand-kids, or a future employer, etc., to see!)

BillShipton wrote:

dirtydids wrote:Jo Bache and I had a hideous afternoon with a Hastings beauty queen brought along by Men & Motors who refused to get her hair, face, clothes or skin messy.

So what exactly did she get gunged? I've visions of someone with a cotton but delicately applying tiny drops of custard to the jewels on any rings she might have been wearing, taking care not to accidentally brush any on her fingers..

I wonder if there's a fetish for gunged jewelery?

She condescended to have some paint on her tummy as I recall.

I may have some pics somewhere.

Bill

driversoft wrote:

DecadentDoll wrote:Wow, i wasn't expecting that! Don't know what to think, thought she would have known what was going to happen with the pics when she did it. Strange.
xxx

Isn't that precisely the point? She thought she did understand what the pictures were for, as she presumably had a written contract with Bizarre stating they were for the publication (and if not their site, then they slipped up contractually!). Bill himself has said that he only had a verbal agreement to use them, which presumably brings the Splosh site use into a grey area.

There does seem SOME merit in her complaint, and the argument that once you agree to put something on any particular site means you use legal control over its use anywhere else on the web seems not only legally spurious, but presented in that way would actively discourage female models, surely?

Oh - and I notice its the guys who are being very disparaging here - somewhat unusual for our forum, I'd have thought.

She's a photographer, she knows the score. Technically, of course she is right, but it is just a bit of a pain.... I happen to be very proud of the photo shoot and now it has had to be taken down I'm a bit miffed. But then I can't do anything. The set would be useless with her pics cut out of it no doubt.


DD xxx