Dress me as a lady and make me messy!

[andy250]

We had somebody asking this the other day, Where is the Wamdrogony studio? Miss Helen and myself being of the rich and famous order!!!!

Do everything as cheap as poss, due to the fact we're both skint all the time, Helen also is in a band, I am currenty trying to get back into rallying so we've both never got any money.

The wamdrogony studio is actually my kitchen!!!!!, some of the wetlook shots are in my half decorated bathroom!!! most of the filming is done at my place nr Manchester, could get Miss Helen to travel if we asked nicely?

We're hoping to find some new outdoors sets shortly, hoping to go visiting some sites on Wednesday, you are both welcome to come and get gunged I can just see Bill and Hayley taking turns in the Disastermind chair.

Andy

[TottyMcGee]

The Wamdrogony studio is less a set location than a collective state of mind, defined by copious amounts of plastic sheeting to keep out whatever else may be in the room as well as preventing any leftover slop from adversely affecting the space/time continuum. Andy's kitchen is one of the regular manifestation zones, my bedroom has also served for solo shoots (for example the "beans lots of beans" video from which my avatar image is grabbed).

I do apologise if anyone is disillusioned by this; I still remember the shock when I found out that the Blue Peter garden was a fraud.

Nice pics of Bill, and I do like the more groomed pirate-goatie look he has in the Lusicious Lee pics. Facial hair incidentally is no bar to a Gertrude's Gunge makeover, indeed we would refuse to even contemplate hiding Billy's Beard. A little hot lippy, some flash mascara and a natty outfit and we'd have one hell of a cute bearded lady to play with.

[Hayley]

As you correctly guessed Bill doesn't know I have posted the pics yet, so I expect I'm in for a serious flanning!

Sadly at present, the teeshirt is a one-off. I got it made for him one Xmas. It's about the only non-black one he owns.

The unkemptness of the beard varies according to how slobbish he is that week! It might get trimmed occasionally with a lawn strimmer but it is never really Pirates of the Caribbean. Sadly he is more early Billy Connolly than Johnny Depp. He wouldn't part with it thugh cos he doesn't have a chin!!

I've never seen Bill in full slap. Might be amusing. Will have to give him a train ticket and send him to Manchester!! Failing that, all of you will have to come down to the studio.

Hayley xxx

[TottyMcGee]

We'd be happy to come to you if you'd like to do it that way - as we've sort of let on, our facilities up here are a bit Mickey Mouse and somewhat lacking in space, but we do the best we can with what we have.

[andy250]

How dare you say the kitchen is micky mouse, (thing is it is really!!! its all really clevery done by Helen), plus every time they visit they slag me little fridge freezer!!! plus I also have a knackered fridge freezer that I normally keep all the gunge in, only half full at the mo due to the messy adventures of Jo and Helen, pics are on the wounded wamdrgony site at the mo.

Could arrange to get everybody together if you fancy a messy session some time, trust me it is fun. Plus even I've not let Miss Helen do the full drag thing on me yet, so you'd both have one up on me, this in turn would force me to do something even more outrageous!!!!!

Andy
(hmm thinks also about finding Carmel, wonder if we could get Sweet Sophie to play out, now that would be fun.)

[ManInMessyKnickers]

Seeing as I started this post I thought i'd say something on this. I've been unable to access this site until now so i'm a bit behind on the conversation but it looks like something quite wonderful is happening!

I absolutely adore the idea of a Miss Alternative World/Splosh competition. Just the idea of a whole group of boys, girls & CDs getting together and messing up us pretend girlies in all our frillies and refineries would be such fun.

For me crossdressing came first when i tried on my neighbour's knickers and i was hooked from then on. I've often worn my neighbours, frineds and mothers knickers, bras etc and I think i just feel naughty and sexy. WAM came later when i saw it in a Fiesta mag and just thought i'd give it a go. Now there's nothing I wouldn't get messy in.

DD, with regards to your desire to mess up a man in frillies!? I would very much like to be the one that gets this treatment first. If this could be arranged we could post the pics and vid on this site?

Well, i'm off to think about all this fun and reminisce over my times of wearing my sexy neighbour's underwear (i'm convinced she i did it!)

[Lizzie_Claymore]

Having only just arrived here, I'm getting the impression that this forum is somehow much more 'cosy' and friendly than UMD. Any mention of crossdressing on UMD usually seems to produce violent objections (usually from the U.S. members, which is kind of puzzling given their alleged freedom to do whatever they like and supposed policy of welcoming allcomers) and one gets the impression that they simply can't cope with the concept, let alone the reality. It does seem odd that a site dedicated to a fetish can have people who are into one fetish yet totally intolerant of another. It's like they're saying "Yeah - I love to pour custard into my pants but *you* like to dress as a girl, you *weirdo*?!?!", like pouring custard into your pants isn't weird????!!!! LoL.

I, too, have wondered why there are so many of us into both WAM and crossdressing. I suppose we're all different and it is a multifaceted issue. For one thing. I never feel sexy as a bloke. I always feel that blokes somehow aren't allowed to feel sexy. However, when dressed, I do feel very glam and sexy (assuming I'm in a nice outfit!). It's almost like someone's given me 'permission' to feel sexy. Then there's the feel of the clothes themselves - they feel so different to blokes' clothes; the material, the cut etc. For example, I adore wearing tights (usually several pairs at once) as the way they slide over your arse (esp. when full of sloppy clay!) is divine and the tightness of them next to your skin (no panties please, we're British! ... well not on the inside anyway) not only feels wonderful as it rubs over everything but also acts as a great counterpressure to keep all the gloop in there. Blokes' clothes just don't work for that sort of thing - it all just runs straight out and what have you achieved?

The other feeling you get from tights is right at the top of the thighs where walking means that one leg 'pulls' the tights on the other leg via the crotch. There's nothing like that with blokes' clothes and it's fantastically erotic - like having a hand constantly stroking the top of your inner thighs as you walk. How girls don't get turned on by that all day is a mystery to me! (Mind you, there are some who do - you only have to look on the specialist tights fetish pages where there are various women who have definitely 'seen the light' on that one!) Again, that bit, when full of gloop, is so sensuously erotic it's almost indescribeable - you really must try it to find out what I mean!

Another advantage is when you want to appear 'normal' when you're not, which is fun. For example, filling your tights up with sloppy clay then dropping the skirt back down again means you can walk around the house looking like there's nothing out of the ordinary but it feels absolutely astonishing. That contrast is fantastic. (Wearing several pairs of tights delays the leak-through for long enough with clay so that you can do that.) See the link below for details on all this sort of stuff.

Personally, I usually only bother about my bottom half as that's where you get all this feeling with the clothes. I don't like WAMming over my head and I'm not bothered about the top half of the body - haven't got real tits to play with so there's no real point wamming there!

Anyway ... that's a few of the reasons that spring to mind for me.

I, too, would love to have a g/f to wam and be wammed by. I've always thought it would be wonderful to have a synchronised reciprocal wamming session with a girl. She shoves a pie up my skirt as I shove one up hers etc. That would be fantastic! A few years ago, I though I was on to a winner as she'd explained several things which verged on both wam and crossdressing that she'd experienced successfully with an ex. I eventually let her in on the secret and she bolted! Just goes to show how wrong you can be! There must be wam and CD tolerent girls out there but how the hell you find them is beyond me!

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[Hayley]

There must be wam and CD tolerent girls out there but how the hell you find them is beyond me!

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There are plenty here! I think blokes dressing up look cool, and thanks for calling the forum 'cosy'. I'd certainly like to think that we are a friendly group.

Hayley

[TottyMcGee]

There must be wam and CD tolerent girls out there but how the hell you find them is beyond me!

Indeed there are loads, in fact I know of very few RGs who have a problem with my dressing, most of them are more interested in egging me on and giving me clothes. The friends who have a problem with it are mostly male (fear of imasculation dies hard in the male psyche, which is why it's so liberating to give it the one-finger salute every now and then). I'm told that the biggest selling point that we have as t-girls is that we bring a little of both genders to the party, along with a helping of mystique and innuendo. I can't say for sure how true that is, but I do my best.

However, at the risk of being a killjoy, there is the need to realise that this particular thing is there in order to have fun and and makes a lousy (and unlikely) basis for an intimate relationship. In many cases the most you can hope for is that she'll love you enough to let you indulge (in which case be sure to love her back just as much, if not more). Being there to provide fun escapism is one thing, but moving from that point to becoming somebody's other half is another altogether. One girl who I did court unsuccessfully said she liked me both as a girl and as a boy, but felt they were like two different people. This surprised me because I thought I was more or less the same all the time, but apparently not.
There are some girls that like girly bois (though personally I'm not a girly boi when out of drag (or for that matter in it)), but otherwise the important thing is to be a man when it counts, so when you dress up it's fun instead of an issue. Simple give and take - the worst possible outcome is when she suddenly finds, out of the blue, that not only are you not going to fulfill your role in a relationship (gender predjudices and associated BS aside, you still have to bring something), but you're competing with her for >her< role in the relationship. Which is another reason why honesty from the outset helps a lot; the blow will be much harder to take if it comes down the line, just when she thought she knew you intimately.
This does not go into cases of genuine gender dysphoria, which is far too big a topic to discuss here.. but I don't think that applies in this case anyway, we just like to dress up.

BOCTAE (but of course there are exceptions)

[Lizzie_Claymore]

Thanks for the encouragement Hayley. Yes, I think things in here are fine - it's out in 'the real world' that I'm not so sure about!

Yes, there are a few people who know about my crossdressing. A few close friends have seen me like that once or twice and an even smaller number know about the WAM too. However, while they're reasonably supportive (or, at least, tolerant), I think it would probably be different if there was a potential relationship to be had out of it. It's easier to be supportive of a friend who has such tendencies. It doesn't necessarily mean that they'd feel the same if they thought there was a relationship in the offing. I think it's just an extension of the thing you go through where you get to know someone as 'a friend' and then you go beyond the point at which they could view you as anything more than just a friend.

Helen argues some very good points, with which I agree. I've always thought that not revealing the issues fairly quickly would lead to the old problem of "He'd been keeping that secret from me all this time; what else is there that I don't know about?" but the converse of that is peaking too early (as I did with the person in question). I think she just wasn't ready to know - didn't know me well enough for it not to be a problem. I think if you tell too early then they're still at the "trying to make up their mind whether you're a mad weirdo axe murderer" stage so there has to be 'A Time' that's right. Too early and they run off screaming (as happened to me); too late and you've gone past the point where you are 'trusted' to reveal things and are accused of having hidden the truth.

You're right about gender dysphoria not applying in this case. I like who I am and what I do (and the bits of my body that do it!), when drab, as well. I dress because I like it and greatly prefer it for wamming due to the totally different (better) feeling. Having said that, I think some of the reason I started was because, being shaped the way that I am (and was even more lanky when a teenager), girls used to point and laugh when I was walking home from school so I figured that if I wasn't going to be able to get a g/f then I might as well 'make one myself' and what better way to do so (and model the 'ideal' g/f) than to do it by CDing and seeing the result in the mirror?

The "Taking over Her Role" thing is tricky too. Although the person in question told me that she'd become uncontrollably horny in the past by dressing her ex up in her undies, I guess that was at her instigation. I'm guessing that by revealing the fact that I was quite happy to do likewise (and more besides) because it turns *me* on too, this un-nerved her and I know she was worried that I might be gay and that, therefore, I wouldn't ultimately love her as I'd be more interested in other blokes. As we all know, the vast majority of guys who CD are straight but I would guess that, as a potential partner, it's kind of inevitable that a girl would have her doubts. After she'd told me about an incident where she'd loved wading round the mud and I revealed WAM to her, the comment was 'ooooh - you really *are* weird aren't you!" .... and the rest, as they say, is history. (Well, I certainly was from that point onwards!)

Tricky, init!

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[boxster]

Hayley, I do too find this room cozy and quite friendly. Very interesting board.

I find male/cd wam interesting because it is visually interesting and provides a chance to play, experiment and loose inhibitions with one's friends. I do agree that UMD can be quite a pill in that regard.

And as to the States being open and accepting, Claymore, it is America's self image, but it is hardly true.

Don

[boxster]

As usual, Bill put things the best:

The attraction of sploshing is two-fold," Shipton explains. "It can either be extremely sensual - two people smearing food on each other's bodies and then licking it off prior to slippery, sticky sex - or totally anarchic! If you've spent a day in the office taking all sorts of shit from the boss, what better way to get over it than by holding a full-scale food fight with your loved one followed by outrageously messy sex?

The appeal, apart from the feeling of different substances on the body (some slurpy, some slippery, some sticky) or better still between two bodies, is letting your self-image go for a bit. Not worrying about whether your hair is perfect or your make-up just so, but just having fun. It's hard to be pompous when somebody is pouring custard into your Calvins!

Don

[BillShipton]

God, a rare moment of sober lucidity!

[boxster]

So, Bill, be careful when you give quotes to the San Francisco media--it may show up on Google.

Lord knows we cannot tolerate sanity anymore! Why, why... dropping my crude political comments.

Don

[BillShipton]

I think my days of being interviewed for clever West Coast USA websites and magazines are over. The Hollywood offers aren't exactly pouring in. And there was me wanting to be on the Tonight Show before I died. No matter.