OFF TOPIC :- CARTOON CHARACTERS. The Thread . . .

[DecadentDoll]

That reminds me, I promised you a copy of Ogenki Clinic.. I'll try to remember to bring it to Newcastle when we're up there in a few weeks. Hentai at it's funniest.
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ooooooh yes, i was trying to remember the name of that!

ta muchly

[BillShipton]

First of all, Phantom, I wouldn't put Top Cat in with Huckleberry hound and Yogi Bear. Although they were all made by Hanna-Barbera in the late 50s, Top Cat was part of their theme of doing cartoon versions of popular adult TV shows. For instance The Flintstones was based on the sitcom The Honeymooners and Top Cat on The Phil Silvers Show (better known as Bilko). It also contains more politically incorrect ideas than almost any kids cartoon with the characters living entirely off cons, stealing and gambling.

I really must increase my knowledge of anime. I'm sure I would love it.

BUT for those of you (except Phantom whom I sure would hate it), can I recommend Drawn Together (on Paramount)? It's a piss-take of Big Bother relaity type shows by featuring cartoon characters from different genres as contestants. So there's a Disney Snow White-a-like (who is also a racist), a SpongeBob pisstake, a Pokemon parody, a Betty Boob sort, the wonderful Foxxy Love (a black lesbian version of Josie from Josie and the Pussy Cats), a gay superhero and a bad taste internet animation character. Being distributed by Comedy Central, it is very rude, but benuinely very funny especially if you get all the cartoon references.

Not many things I have DVDed and kept but that series is one of them

[Phantom]

Back when I was 10, I DID lump top cat in with all those other hanna barbera cartoons ... it jist didn't entertain me. I later found out it was based on Sergeant Bilko. I thought that was interesting, but it didn't make the cartoon anymore entertaining for me. I also remember reading somewhere that The Jetsons was just a very flimsy Flintstones rip-off ... same concept, different era. Earth's distant past replaced with Earth's distant future.

I think Scooby Doo and Wacky Races lasted longer for me, because I liked the concepts more ... bizarre vehicles and haunted houses had longer lasting appeal than cats in an alley annoying a policeman. I did like the top cat theme tune though ... and I also remember watching top cat the first time I ever tripped.

I've heard of 'drawn together', bill. I think I've also seen it advertised in a magazine. Why do you think I'd hate it - based on what I've said in this post? Or based on my general negativity? From what I've heard of it (and also from my general obbsession with crappy reality TV and parodies of such things, and also on your description of the characters and my love of comic books) I reckon I'd really enjoy it.

Phantom

[DecadentDoll]

I've heard of 'drawn together', bill. I think I've also seen it advertised in a magazine. Why do you think I'd hate it - based on what I've said in this post? Or based on my general negativity? From what I've heard of it (and also from my general obbsession with crappy reality TV and parodies of such things, and also on your description of the characters and my love of comic books) I reckon I'd really enjoy it.

Phantom

south park fans and family guy fans are really into it. You said you hated South Park... Drawn Together is just as intelligent and full of satire.

i think it was the fact you hate south park that would lead bill to believe you may not enjoy Drawn Together.

[BillShipton]

It is very rude, though in a brilliantly satirical way. And judging from your choice of cartoons so far, it looks like something you wouldn't enjoy.

The Jetsons was made by the same company as The Flintstones so scarcely a rip-off - just a rather tiny leap of creativity. Personally, I never liked The Jetsons, partly because it wasn't shown over here so much and so didn't really have a chance to catch on.

[Phantom]

Although I know what the Jetsons look like, I've NEVER seen an episode.

I like intelligent and satical humour. I love the Simpson et al. I guess I won't know about Drawn Together until I finally see it.

Phantom

[Lizzie_Claymore]

For instance The Flintstones was based on the sitcom The Honeymooners and Top Cat on The Phil Silvers Show (better known as Bilko).

I knew about TC being based on Phil Silvers but it never dawned on me that the Flintstones was based on the The Honeymooners. Now there was another series with inspired casting and writing. I can't believe The Honeymooners only had one outing on BBC2 in the last few decades. More repeats on the BBC please!

Incidentally, if you're into the music of these things, I can heartily recommend this CD (and slashed in price too - I think I paid about £15 a few years - should have waited and got it for under £4).

As well as the opening and closing themes, you even get all the various underscores used during the action sequences. A good wallow in nostalgia is guaranteed when you hear some of those for the first time in years and can immediately visualise the action for which they provided the 'bed'.

[BillShipton]

Incidentally, if you're into the music of these things, I can heartily recommend this CD (and slashed in price too - I think I paid about £15 a few years - should have waited and got it for under £4).
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Sad as I am, I already have it. Though it was a present, honest!

[easy_as_]

Incidentally, if you're into the music of these things, I can heartily recommend this CD (and slashed in price too - I think I paid about £15 a few years - should have waited and got it for under £4).
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Sad as I am, I already have it. Though it was a present, honest!

Not sad at all Bill, I have it coz I bought it... proudly. It is ripped to my hardrive and when it occasionally pops up on my media player shuffle
inbetween Guns 'n' Roses and The Jam or Curtis Mayfield or any of the other 12,000 odd tracks, is it quite amusing . . .
just like it is when my Chas and Dave tracks do . . . .

As for the South Park debate, I have grown to like it. I was totally with Phantom when I first saw it, but over time I grew to love it
like a member of the family that you kinda never saw eye to eye with but agreed not to argue with.

I absolutely love the song South Park did about film montages . . .
I love it I tells ya !

Drawn Together is great from the few episodes I have seen, and Phantom
I think you would actually like it.

Inch High Private Eye was a good shout Andy, but who here remembers
Undercover Elephant ?

And as for one of my favourite Arch Villain names ?
Why, Yellow Pinkie of course . . . . .

[BillShipton]

Its funny you should mention Undercover Elephant cos I nearly did when Inch High came up.

A discussion with Gwen (the large Welsh lady who appears at the end of Messy Missies promoting Big & Fat magazine) about it was one of the few that reduced me to tears of laughter. The whole premise was that Undercover Elephant would just put on a hat and become instantly unrecognisable. Then when he took the hat off, people would gasp in amazement, "Wow, it's Undercover Elephant!"

Loved it.

[easy_as_]

The whole premise was that Undercover Elephant would just put on a hat and become instantly unrecognisable. Then when he took the hat off, people would gasp in amazement, "Wow, it's Undercover Elephant!"

Loved it.

Exactly. I always thought it more than absurd.
I also thought that the wise cracking mouse in his hat was a great idea.
Of course I had no idea that Disney had done something almost identical with Dumbo and Timothy Mouse, at that age, or at least never I made the connection.


As for adult level kids cartoon, one so far unmentioned is ' Pinky and the Brain ', prior to the girl being introduced at some point in the later episodes ?

And on this note, a question . . . . . .

Why do mice appear to be a focal point for cartoons ? Most cartoons that have gone on to be widely successful feature a mouse as a main character .
Is there a historical precedent for prominent mice in stories, before animated history ? As in folk tales and fairytales, or other general, I suppose, kids literature ? Obviously Beatrix Potter used animals for this purpose. In fact, quite a few mice tales.
Was Beatrix Potter their inspiration ?

Or was it purely to ape Disney's Mickey ( so nearly Mortimer ) Mouse ?
So, therefore, we have Steam Boat Willie to blame for all of the ensuing rodent adventures. ?
If so, what made Walt choose a mouse as his main character ? Surely a reviled creature throughout his intended audience ?
Was he being forced to create mouse friendly propaganda by giant alien mice from outer space ?

I think we should be told.

[BillShipton]

Interesting point.

There weren't many mice in Warner Bros cartoons, apart from Speedy Gonzalez, but that is an exception. Mice do occur a lot in fables and fairy stories.

I know that cartoons were responsible for the myth that mice like cheese. Cheese was only chosen because it was more likely to exist in a poor household than meat or indeed Kit Kats (their preferred snack according to one pest control operative of my acquiaintance.

It is interesting the animals that get to be lead characters. By the late 80s we had Lippy the Lion and Hardy Ha-Ha the Hyena. There was a shark lead in one Hanna Barbera cartoon (whose name I forget) and, lets not forget Squiddley Diddley the Octopus or Wally Gator. Morocco Mole was quite an unusual choice too.

In my opinion, the silliest was Quick Draw McGraw the gun-toting Sherriff horse! How he held and fired a gun with hooves mystified me even as a child. Great sig song though.

PS Pinkie and the Brain is a fine cartoon. Georgie (star of Mucky Puppies) was obsessed with the Powerpuff Girls, incidentally.

[andy250]

What about a cartoon within a cartoon??? The itchy and Scratchy show!!!

now thats mad.


regards

Andy

[DecadentDoll]

What about a cartoon within a cartoon??? The itchy and Scratchy show!!!

now thats mad.


regards

Andy

I've got an Itchy and Scratchy metal lunchbox

[andy250]

DD you are just too cool, no going out tonight getting drunk and borrowing a shopping trolley. Thinking about the lunch box is rather cool.

All I can hear is the theme tune to the ichy and scartchy show.


regards

Andy